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Turkish Legal System
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:18 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
I think the best way to remember it is that criticism is not personal - you can criticise an action, opinion, etc. Insults are usually personal and involve name-calling or untruths. |
Couldn't agree more 
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:19 am |
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Quoting Roswitha: Aenigma,except for pornography which uses children, any "censorship" of films, etc. in the USA is imposed by the media industry, and not the government. Of course there are restrictions on pornography, which is far different than restrictions on political expression and opinion. |
Censorship is VERY strict. My american friends are always amazed at the extra scenes in films that they missed (no not just sex!) - some of the films are really very tame!
Well it covers many things - racism, sex (not just pornography!!) included. To take one example, if your opinions are racist, you do not have the right to express them in the media.
Rightly or wrongly this means that you do not have complete freedom of speech
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:25 am |
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whatever restrictions there are, are not imposed by the government or law. There are industry standards. By freedom of speech I mean freedom from government interference.That what it means in the USA.
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:29 am |
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I hate to disappoint you Roswitha, with regard to Freedom of Speech in the press, your country is only ranked 48TH IN THE WORLD!!!! The UK is 24th, Turkey ranks at 101. So don't believe all that your media tells you 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:49 am |
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Aenigma: Reporters Without Borders issues what it calls a "press freedom index". First this index does not pretend to measure individual rights, as opposed to institutional journalists. Second the RWB index does not pretend to measure government restrictions, but also all sorts of pressures on journalists including private, corporate, and non-government institutional pressures - of which there are admittedly many in the USA. My point about of freedom of expression is the near absence of government criminalisation of certain expressions - and that's it.
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:52 am |
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OK Roswitha I wont argue with you about your wonderful law However, it is important for the US to realise that they are not leaders in freedom of speech.
I made it quite clear that my link was about freedom of the press, not individual freedom of speech.
And actually, freedom of the press is even MORE important than individual expression. It is the main source of global information for citizens and should never be censored. I don't believe for one minute that there are NEVER any US government led censorships in the press.
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:56 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Deli_kizin: "Atatürk was an idiot because he didnt mention Kurdistan like he did in a former treaty."
Insult or criticism? Whats it for you? And whats it for the one you say it to? |
I would say that it is definitely an insult. You are calling him an "idiot" which is a insult and is untrue. You could say:-
"In my opinion, Ataturk was wrong to not mention Kurdistan like he did in a former treaty".
Just my opinion |
Ataturk made a public adress to his nation on the 10th anniversary of the Republic. He summarised the history behind the Republic, goals and principles for future, defining the make up of Turkish nation and delegated the duty of protecting the Republic to Turkish youth. His speech makes it very clear that he does not use the words Turkish Youth in ethnical sense. He means the youth of Turkia, whatever the ethnic origin.
In his speech, the Kurdish citizens of Turkia is held no different than any other ethnic group. No secret deals with Kurds are mentioned. He lived 5 more years after this speech...no one stood up to correct him. As far as I am concerned, what is not in his never-disputed speech is total crap.
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:59 am |
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Well, for my part, I was merely looking at the sentence structure, NOT the content
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:59 am |
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Quoting ciko: i think you can criticise or insult any government here.. Turkish and most muslim insult American government everyday. so why you cannot do the same |
This is very interesting. Alpha, if insults are so bad in the eyes of Turkish people, why do they insult others so eagerly?
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 01:01 am |
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Quoting catwoman: This is very interesting. Alpha, if insults are so bad in the eyes of Turkish people, why do they insult others so eagerly? |
Good point
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 01:10 am |
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I do not insult eagerly. I insult few people that deserve it..never without provocation from others.
Turkish people are much politer to each other in social life, compared to Western countries.. People can not freely insult each other because social codes are much more stricker.
You can call it barbarism, but if a fight breaks in a small Turkish bar over an insult, chances are casualties will exceed a 6 day all out Israeli - Palestinian war. People think twice before insulting others.
Your accusation to me is totally unjust, because I think you feel very much at ease insulting others yourself, either intentionally - or because you do not know what you are talking about.
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