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Turkish Legal System
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 03:54 pm |
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Turkey has a law system, which has been wholly integrated with the continental European system. For instance, the Turkish civil law system has been modified by incorporating elements mainly of the Swiss Civil Code, the Code of Obligations and the German Commercial Code. The administrative law bears similarities with the French Counterpart and the penal code with the Italian Counterpart.
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 04:30 pm |
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So Italians also have law 301 in which they punish criticising "Italianness"? 
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 08:16 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: So Italians also have law 301 in which they punish criticising "Italianness"? |
the question is addressed to...?
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 09:25 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting catwoman: So Italians also have law 301 in which they punish criticising "Italianness"? |
the question is addressed to...? |
Oh allah, allah! I have to explain everything to you step by step, don't I? :-S
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 10:09 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting catwoman: So Italians also have law 301 in which they punish criticising "Italianness"? |
the question is addressed to...? |
Oh allah, allah! I have to explain everything to you step by step, don't I? :-S |
no, just making sure if you will get the answer.
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 10:12 pm |
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Yes, Roswitha is right.
Türkiye has a law system, which has been wholly integrated with the Continental European Law System.
The Turkish Civil law ( like Swiss), The Administrative Law (Like France), The Criminal Law (Like Italy), The Company Law (Like England), The Commercial Law (Like Germany/England), The Law of Obligation (Like Germany), The Accounting Law ( Like Italy, Germany, England)…
And Human Rights?
Is there a fully Human Rights Law in the European Countries?
Can anyone or Press or Public Union criticize the State Policies and the laws in England, Germany, France and Italy easily?
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 10:12 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: So Italians also have law 301 in which they punish criticising "Italianness"? |
There is a fine difference between "critisizing" and "insulting".... you are not very good at differentiating these two, are you?
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 10:28 pm |
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As AlphaF says "critisizing" and "insulting" are very different concepts according to Law philosophy and practical.
As you know well "critisizing" is scientific and "Insulting" is a crime according to laws.
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 10:31 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting catwoman: So Italians also have law 301 in which they punish criticising "Italianness"? |
There is a fine difference between "critisizing" and "insulting".... you are not very good at differentiating these two, are you? |
It IS the law 301 that can not amke this differentiation
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 10:54 pm |
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If the law (301) is insufficient, unclear, unfair etc , let us get it corrected.
The idea is not to allow people to think "freedom of speech" is equal to "freedom to insult others".
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 11:01 pm |
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I think the idea is not to say something bad about Turkey.
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 11:03 pm |
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and what exactly is wrong with that?
If you have to curse Turkia, do it out side of Turkish borders.
Holland and Denmark are the best places to curse Turkia. It is actually encouraged in both countries ))))))))))))))
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 11:13 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: If the law (301) is insufficient, unclear, unfair etc , let us get it corrected.
The idea is not to allow people to think "freedom of speech" is equal to "freedom to insult others". |
I am trying to understand this.
So I may criticise, i.e. "the Turkish government have made a big mistake on this".
but cannot insult
i.e. "the Turkish government are ignorant and stupid".
(the sentences are just examples!!!!!)
Is that right?
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 11:14 pm |
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Close enough...
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 11:15 pm |
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Do we need Rule 301 at Turkish Class?  
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 11:23 pm |
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No rules can stop one from insulting another, as the crime actually follows the action here.
What rules (laws) can do however is they can stop insults being made under the pretense of "freedom of speech".
When I insult, I prefer to mean it and I stay behind my insults...no hiding behind a misguided "freedom of speech" concept...
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 11:30 pm |
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i think you can criticise or insult any government here.. Turkish and most muslim insult American government everyday. so why you cannot do the same
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 11:37 pm |
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I agree some people here insincerely confuse "insullting" with "critisizing" ..but not that many. They think they are smart.
We also have some "honest" insulters, who know what they are doing )))))))
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 11:40 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: I agree some people here insincerely confuse "insullting" with "critisizing" here..but not that many. They think they are smart.
We also have some "honest" insulters, who know what they are doing ))))))) |
Insulting is an art. It should have some truth and also some wit I reserve it mainly for my friends rather than waste it on my enemies
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 11:47 pm |
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It is next to impossible for my American husband, to grasp any system that criminalizes the expression of ideas and thoughts and opinions. US constitution prohibits punishment for expression of thoughts and opinions. But he understands that many countries, Turkey included, have laws which criminalize certain expressions, and believes that with the passage of time these laws will wither away.
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15 Dec 2007 Sat 11:59 pm |
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I think AlphaF deliberately understood me wrong. And it is a misconception to think that Holland is a good place to curse Turkey. If you hear Wilders speak on foreign affairs, please dont think you know us all. Holland has a big integration-problem and there are some people who have a strange way of dealing with it. But Dutch government or society does not encourage to curse or discriminate against Turks. And yes, I felt offended by this just a tiny bit 
In Turkey the line between insult and criticism is too small, not only in some peoples head.
I dont think I ever purposedly insulted someone, but to me there is not only an important difference between insult-criticism, but also a difference in how people receive so called 'insults'. What is an insult to one, can be criticism to another.
Just as an example (no misunderstandings please, I have no opinion whatsoever on this, just to draw an example)
"Atatürk was an idiot because he didnt mention Kurdistan like he did in a former treaty."
Insult or criticism? Whats it for you? And whats it for the one you say it to?
I couldnt be bothered to put someone in jail for it or give a money ceza. Actually I see no harm in this at all. But Im pretty sure that many Turks will jump up and say you are offending Turkishness.
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:02 am |
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Quoting Roswitha: It is next to impossible for my American husband, to grasp any system that criminalizes the expression of ideas and thoughts and opinions. US constitution prohibits punishment for expression of thoughts and opinions. But he understands that many countries, Turkey included, have laws which criminalize certain expressions, and believes that with the passage of time these laws will wither away. |
The US may have "Freedom of Speech" to a degree, but their censorship of TV, film and literature is far more extreme than in the EU.
Apparently US citizens are unable to decide for themselves what is appropriate for an adult to hear
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:08 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Roswitha: It is next to impossible for my American husband, to grasp any system that criminalizes the expression of ideas and thoughts and opinions. US constitution prohibits punishment for expression of thoughts and opinions. But he understands that many countries, Turkey included, have laws which criminalize certain expressions, and believes that with the passage of time these laws will wither away. |
The US may have "Freedom of Speech" to a degree, but their censorship of TV, film and literature is far more extreme than in the EU.
Apparently US citizens are unable to decide for themselves what is appropriate for an adult to hear |
And is turkey the land of freedom?
Are you defending law 301 that is fair and just, or saying that that "yes we are limiting human rights but others also do it?"
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:08 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: "Atatürk was an idiot because he didnt mention Kurdistan like he did in a former treaty."
Insult or criticism? Whats it for you? And whats it for the one you say it to? |
I would say that it is definitely an insult. You are calling him an "idiot" which is a insult and is untrue. You could say:-
"In my opinion, Ataturk was wrong to not mention Kurdistan like he did in a former treaty".
Just my opinion
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:10 am |
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Quoting boradiz: Are you defending law 301 that is fair and just, or saying that that "yes we are limiting human rights but others also do it?"
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I am not defending Law 301!!!!! I was replying to Roswitha's post about US Freedom of Speech. I was correcting her statement - your freedom of speech in the US has it's limitations
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:14 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I would say that it is definitely an insult. You are calling him an "idiot" which is a insult and is untrue. You could say:-
"In my opinion, Ataturk was wrong to not mention Kurdistan like he did in a former treaty".
Just my opinion |
Well, this is my opinion too. But then I think there is a difference between idiot and many worse words too.
I find it ridiculous that for saying such a thing, on grounds of madde 301, you could get punished.
And that is what makes the difference between criticism and insult, and insults and insults, so hard.
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:15 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: And that is what makes the difference between criticism and insult, and insults and insults, so hard. |
I think the best way to remember it is that criticism is not personal - you can criticise an action, opinion, etc. Insults are usually personal and involve name-calling or untruths.
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:16 am |
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Aenigma,except for pornography which uses children, any "censorship" of films, etc. in the USA is imposed by the media industry, and not the government. Of course there are restrictions on pornography, which is far different than restrictions on political expression and opinion.
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:18 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
I think the best way to remember it is that criticism is not personal - you can criticise an action, opinion, etc. Insults are usually personal and involve name-calling or untruths. |
Couldn't agree more
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:19 am |
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Quoting Roswitha: Aenigma,except for pornography which uses children, any "censorship" of films, etc. in the USA is imposed by the media industry, and not the government. Of course there are restrictions on pornography, which is far different than restrictions on political expression and opinion. |
Censorship is VERY strict. My american friends are always amazed at the extra scenes in films that they missed (no not just sex!) - some of the films are really very tame!
Well it covers many things - racism, sex (not just pornography!!) included. To take one example, if your opinions are racist, you do not have the right to express them in the media.
Rightly or wrongly this means that you do not have complete freedom of speech
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:25 am |
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whatever restrictions there are, are not imposed by the government or law. There are industry standards. By freedom of speech I mean freedom from government interference.That what it means in the USA.
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:29 am |
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I hate to disappoint you Roswitha, with regard to Freedom of Speech in the press, your country is only ranked 48TH IN THE WORLD!!!! The UK is 24th, Turkey ranks at 101. So don't believe all that your media tells you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:49 am |
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Aenigma: Reporters Without Borders issues what it calls a "press freedom index". First this index does not pretend to measure individual rights, as opposed to institutional journalists. Second the RWB index does not pretend to measure government restrictions, but also all sorts of pressures on journalists including private, corporate, and non-government institutional pressures - of which there are admittedly many in the USA. My point about of freedom of expression is the near absence of government criminalisation of certain expressions - and that's it.
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:52 am |
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OK Roswitha I wont argue with you about your wonderful law However, it is important for the US to realise that they are not leaders in freedom of speech.
I made it quite clear that my link was about freedom of the press, not individual freedom of speech.
And actually, freedom of the press is even MORE important than individual expression. It is the main source of global information for citizens and should never be censored. I don't believe for one minute that there are NEVER any US government led censorships in the press.
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:56 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Deli_kizin: "Atatürk was an idiot because he didnt mention Kurdistan like he did in a former treaty."
Insult or criticism? Whats it for you? And whats it for the one you say it to? |
I would say that it is definitely an insult. You are calling him an "idiot" which is a insult and is untrue. You could say:-
"In my opinion, Ataturk was wrong to not mention Kurdistan like he did in a former treaty".
Just my opinion |
Ataturk made a public adress to his nation on the 10th anniversary of the Republic. He summarised the history behind the Republic, goals and principles for future, defining the make up of Turkish nation and delegated the duty of protecting the Republic to Turkish youth. His speech makes it very clear that he does not use the words Turkish Youth in ethnical sense. He means the youth of Turkia, whatever the ethnic origin.
In his speech, the Kurdish citizens of Turkia is held no different than any other ethnic group. No secret deals with Kurds are mentioned. He lived 5 more years after this speech...no one stood up to correct him. As far as I am concerned, what is not in his never-disputed speech is total crap.
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:59 am |
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Well, for my part, I was merely looking at the sentence structure, NOT the content
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 12:59 am |
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Quoting ciko: i think you can criticise or insult any government here.. Turkish and most muslim insult American government everyday. so why you cannot do the same |
This is very interesting. Alpha, if insults are so bad in the eyes of Turkish people, why do they insult others so eagerly?
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 01:01 am |
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Quoting catwoman: This is very interesting. Alpha, if insults are so bad in the eyes of Turkish people, why do they insult others so eagerly? |
Good point
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 01:10 am |
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I do not insult eagerly. I insult few people that deserve it..never without provocation from others.
Turkish people are much politer to each other in social life, compared to Western countries.. People can not freely insult each other because social codes are much more stricker.
You can call it barbarism, but if a fight breaks in a small Turkish bar over an insult, chances are casualties will exceed a 6 day all out Israeli - Palestinian war. People think twice before insulting others.
Your accusation to me is totally unjust, because I think you feel very much at ease insulting others yourself, either intentionally - or because you do not know what you are talking about.
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 01:14 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: I do not insult eagerly. I insult few people that deserve it..
Turkish people are much politer to each other in social life, compared to Western countries.. People can not freely insult each other because social codes are much more stricker.
You can call it barbarism, but if a fight breaks in a small Turkish bar over an insult, chances are casualties will exceed a 6 day Israeli - Palestinian war. People think twice before insulting others.
Your accusation to me is totally unjust, because I think you feel very much at ease insulting others yourself, either intentionally - or because you do not know what you are talking about. |
Hahahaha, I wasn't talking about you, but about the general public in Turkey that insults the West freely.
Also, you made a good point that you insult others "when they deserve it"  . So do I.
You were right that I would call the behavior of Turks barbaric when they kill each other because of their fragile egos. 
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 01:15 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: I do not insult eagerly. I insult few people that deserve it..
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:-S Disagree
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 01:19 am |
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What is your problem dear Chirstine?
You think I am a bad boy, too?
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16 Dec 2007 Sun 01:19 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Well, for my part, I was merely looking at the sentence structure, NOT the content |
Thats exactly the intention that I posted it with.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 08:33 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting boradiz: Are you defending law 301 that is fair and just, or saying that that "yes we are limiting human rights but others also do it?"
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I am not defending Law 301!!!!! I was replying to Roswitha's post about US Freedom of Speech. I was correcting her statement - your freedom of speech in the US has it's limitations |
what limitations?
can you come up with examples?
thank you
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 08:36 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting boradiz: Are you defending law 301 that is fair and just, or saying that that "yes we are limiting human rights but others also do it?"
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I am not defending Law 301!!!!! I was replying to Roswitha's post about US Freedom of Speech. I was correcting her statement - your freedom of speech in the US has it's limitations |
what limitations?
can you come up with examples?
thank you |
I did!!! I am not repeating myself.
I am not repeating myself
I am not repeating myself
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 08:41 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: I do not insult eagerly. I insult few people that deserve it..never without provocation from others.
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Quoting AlphaF:
Turkish people are much politer to each other in social life, compared to Western countries.. People can not freely insult each other because social codes are much more stricker.
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Quoting AlphaF:
You can call it barbarism, but if a fight breaks in a small Turkish bar over an insult, chances are casualties will exceed a 6 day all out Israeli - Palestinian war. People think twice before insulting others.
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you are not used to hear insults, thats why you have a huge problem with your pride.
you better kill the opposer than tolerate the different opinion. hot blood barbarity.
Quoting AlphaF:
Your accusation to me is totally unjust, because I think you feel very much at ease insulting others yourself, either intentionally - or because you do not know what you are talking about. |
ah, tell me more
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 08:43 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
I did!!! I am not repeating myself.
I am not repeating myself
I am not repeating myself |
ah, madame FF is tired today, reading and understanding exhausts!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 08:43 pm |
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barbars defending their lyching tool "301"?? haha great!
I am not that surprised.
let me briefly explain you my thought, "a person that defend "301" is definitely a murderer, lyncher and fascist!"
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 08:45 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: ah, madame FF is tired today, reading and understanding exhausts! |
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 08:48 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: barbars defending their lyching tool "301"?? haha great!
I am not that surprised.
let me briefly explain you my thought, "a person that defend "301" is definitely a murderer, lyncher and fascist!"
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Hmmmm... a peculiar Turkish man...
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 08:49 pm |
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 08:58 pm |
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thanks cat!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 08:59 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: thanks cat! |
Want to join the chewing gum gang?
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:01 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting kedycan: barbars defending their lyching tool "301"?? haha great!
I am not that surprised.
let me briefly explain you my thought, "a person that defend "301" is definitely a murderer, lyncher and fascist!"
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Hmmmm... a peculiar Turkish man... |
hmmm....
i wanna him for my gang!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:03 pm |
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Kedycan - don't join femme's gang, join either mine or Aengima's - we are far more effective
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:03 pm |
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haha... ok I have been looking forward to change my job for a long time.. that sounds great!
take me in pls
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:05 pm |
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well I want to know more about the two gangs...
but cat's sounds more preferable.. cos she send me a bunch of daisies!
what s your offer femme?
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:06 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: haha... ok I have been looking forward to change my job for a long time.. that sounds great!
take me in pls |
fine!
fill in the application, pls, and send to
knowledgable & CO
1 honorable street
politeness
TC-landia
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:07 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: haha... ok I have been looking forward to change my job for a long time.. that sounds great!
take me in pls |
Beautiful! This was the right decision, I assure you it's your lucky day today
Now... your first and foremost duty is to always agree with me and support me in discussions. All tricks allowed, except personal attacks. Teasing femme is also highly recommended (as she is mostly on our side, but still it's a separate gang, so we compete with each other - for government funding)...
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:08 pm |
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waaaw... the address is cool.
but are u sure there s a place like that in Turkey?
even if the address exists Turkish postmen would never bring the form to you!
I guess I should walk there and make my application face-to-face
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:08 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: So Italians also have law 301 in which they punish criticising "Italianness"? |
hehehehe.....how silly, those who mock Italianess are dealt with but there is no law...if you know what I mean!! 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:13 pm |
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how how about uniting the two gangs into a single one?
maybe under leadership of a third person (which is me hehe)?? Cos joining any of the two sounds sound.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:16 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: how how about uniting the two gangs into a single one?
maybe under leadership of a third person (which is me hehe)?? Cos joining any of the two sounds sound.
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The thing is that this witch femme just kicked me out of her gang, so I decided to make my own that will be 100 times better then hers, so that at the end we'll show her who's the boss here... How does that sound...
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:17 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: haha... ok I have been looking forward to change my job for a long time.. that sounds great!
take me in pls |
Kedycan! Cat may give you flowers, Femme may offer you all kinds of things (some of which you didn't think were physically possible), but I know you will decide to join mine as the Gang of Fun
Welcome
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:18 pm |
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well that sounds sound too
hey give me some time ok? I will give my decision after getting a good sleep tonighy hehe
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:19 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: waaaw... the address is cool.
but are u sure there s a place like that in Turkey?
even if the address exists Turkish postmen would never bring the form to you!
I guess I should walk there and make my application face-to-face |
our organistaion is above countries, therefore you wont find it on a map.
but we have our earthly post-boxes.
apply asap
you will be my right-hand!
btw, stick your photo on the form.
are you handsome?
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:21 pm |
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heyy sure I am handsome...
I have some pictures on profile.. check itif u like.
bye the way whose gang has more beautiful and hot girls?
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:22 pm |
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good night kedycan!
have a good sleep!
and dream of being in my club!
sweet dreamsssssssssssssss!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:22 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: bye the way whose gang has more beautiful and hot girls?
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DEFINITELY MINE! Femme and Cat are old with big asses
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:22 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: bye the way whose gang has more beautiful and hot girls? |
It's mostly femme... though to be honest, we're all fat assed...
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:23 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: good night kedycan!
have a good sleep!
and dream of being in my club!
sweet dreamsssssssssssssss!
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Ahahahahahaha - I did wonder if to take that option - well done
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:23 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: heyy sure I am handsome...
I have some pictures on profile.. check itif u like.
bye the way whose gang has more beautiful and hot girls?
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what for do you need the girls? 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:23 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: DEFINITELY MINE! Femme and Cat are old with big asses |
Don't forget she means TOYS!!!!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:25 pm |
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haha... lol.
everybody seems to have a fat ass here ha? under these conditions I must see the asses to make a proper decision girls..
actually I am still thinking of uniting the groups
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:26 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: heyy sure I am handsome...
I have some pictures on profile.. check itif u like.
bye the way whose gang has more beautiful and hot girls?
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Kedycan you blew it I was thinking I would be getting a free thinking unusual Turkish man in my club - but you are now showing dudu tendancies
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:26 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting catwoman: So Italians also have law 301 in which they punish criticising "Italianness"? |
hehehehe.....how silly, those who mock Italianess are dealt with but there is no law...if you know what I mean!! |
Where have you beed canim? You missed some good action! |
I am very busy with holiday shopping, cooking and spreading good cheer....
Anyway, my two cents are: there is only a destinction between insulting turkishness and criticizing turkey when the Turkish government says so. I also agree with AEnigma....American does not corner the market on freedom, just try standing in an airport and even look like you are from the middle east...even if you are not.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:27 pm |
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Quote:
what for do you need the girls? |
what for do you need a handsome guy?
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:27 pm |
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Look Kedy - in my gang, you'll have to quit smoking. We do not support tabacco companies nor lung cancer!!!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:28 pm |
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hey!
at last I found a reason to eliminate a group..
let me tell you this cat!
I never think of quitting smoking
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:28 pm |
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Ehhhh ummmmm excuse me all ex gang members. Please notice that a potential male gang member appears and what happens? Suddenly we are all fighting eachother!!! 
Women UNITE!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:29 pm |
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Women UNITE! |
Women Don't!!!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:29 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting kedycan: heyy sure I am handsome...
I have some pictures on profile.. check itif u like.
bye the way whose gang has more beautiful and hot girls?
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Kedycan you blew it I was thinking I would be getting a free thinking unusual Turkish man in my club - but you are now showing dudu tendancies
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agree!
it proves my theory...
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:29 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Ehhhh ummmmm excuse me all ex gang members. Please notice that a potential male gang member appears and what happens? Suddenly we are all fighting eachother!!!
Women UNITE! |
Aengima, I support you, but not femme, till she apologizes for kicking me out!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:31 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting kedycan: heyy sure I am handsome...
I have some pictures on profile.. check itif u like.
bye the way whose gang has more beautiful and hot girls?
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Kedycan you blew it I was thinking I would be getting a free thinking unusual Turkish man in my club - but you are now showing dudu tendancies
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agree!
it proves my theory... |
I miss Qdemir He was a good potential gang member
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:31 pm |
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what for do you need the girls? |
what for do you need a handsome guy? |
look, im the boss here, and i ask the questions.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:31 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: If the law (301) is insufficient, unclear, unfair etc , let us get it corrected.
The idea is not to allow people to think "freedom of speech" is equal to "freedom to insult others". |
But if you are talking about freedom, that is exactly what it means......if you are talking about manners, that is entirely different.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:31 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I miss Qdemir He was a good potential gang member |
Me or Qdemir, either one!!!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:32 pm |
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Kedycan you blew it I was thinking I would be getting a free thinking unusual Turkish man in my club - but you are now showing dudu tendancies
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agree!
it proves my theory... |
come on nooo! just women help me think free
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:32 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Me or Qdemir, either one!!! |
Qdemir!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:33 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting catwoman: Me or Qdemir, either one!!! |
Qdemir! |
Your husband? 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:34 pm |
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Quoting kedycan:
come on nooo! just women help me think free |
Ahhh dear Kedycan how life changes with the turn of a card eh? One moment you have women fighting for you, the next you are begging for attention
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:35 pm |
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haha lol...
ok I will be around. just discuss among yourselves and inform me about the verdict that will come out of the summit!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:35 pm |
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look guys
i give up on bidding
im out of auction
take him
dont wanna a dudu
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:36 pm |
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what s a "dudu" by the way?
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:41 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: what s a "dudu" by the way? |
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:45 pm |
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what an ending to the discussion on the Turkish Legal System. "what s a dudu"? 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:50 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: what an ending to the discussion on the Turkish Legal System. "what s a dudu"? |
hehehe...just so you know a Dudu is our word for a Turkish man who meets a woman (usually from the West) while she is on vacation in Turkey. He is generally a waiter or bartender at a resort and unemployed all winter. During the vacation it is all canim this and seni seviyorum that. Then the girl goes home, quickly joins TLC and vigorously asks for a multitude of transations. At first they are I love you, I miss you, I want you, I need you....blah, blah, blah...After the tourist season is over, the translations usually go something like this....please, I have no money, I am sick, my mother is sick, I need money...and a new cell phone, and some athletic trainers, size XX ect...you get the picture, right?
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:52 pm |
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ahaaaa... I see. and it s great to see women well aware of dudus and not believing in their tricks anymore congratulations!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:53 pm |
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thanks for the explanation by the way!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 09:55 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: look guys
i give up on bidding
im out of auction
take him
dont wanna a dudu |
what an insult femme fatal!
it s too bad to see someone thinking this way about me!
never done that in my life before...
askolsun
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:00 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: thanks for the explanation by the way!
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You're welcome!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:02 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: look guys
i give up on bidding
im out of auction
take him
dont wanna a dudu |
and keep this in mind!
There will always be stupid dudus around as long as there are fat assed blonde women who die for a lover 20 years younger. a good f..k and love words make them even more stupid and blind to the realities... a hundred times I tried to warn them but noone wants to see the truth untill they find the bitter truth in the end.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:04 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: Quoting femme_fatal: look guys
i give up on bidding
im out of auction
take him
dont wanna a dudu |
and keep this in mind!
There will always be stupid dudus around as long as there are fat assed blonde women who die for a lover 20 years younger. a good f..k and love words make them even more stupid and blind to the realities... a hundred times I tried to warn them but noone wants to see the truth untill they find the bitter truth in the end. |
I can't believe you have already called us fat asses!! You learn so FAST.....where did you guys find this new member? Is he real?
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:05 pm |
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I complete agree (except the blonde and fat assed bit!!!). Some women here do not want the truth - they want to believe in their "love" even if it means they are sending money and chasing afer him all the time .... Grrrrrrrr
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:07 pm |
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hey come on!
nobody take it personal please.. mine is just an effort to point a general fact.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:10 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: hey come on!
nobody take it personal please.. mine is just an effort to point a general fact. |
Well you have proved yourself a non-dudu so welcome to my gang
NO MORE BLONDE JOKES PLEASE
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:10 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I complete agree (except the blonde and fat assed bit!!!). Some women here do not want the truth - they want to believe in their "love" even if it means they are sending money and chasing afer him all the time .... Grrrrrrrr |
I am glad.. yes, sorry for the "blonde and fat assed part"... it s a bit bitter.. but being insulted to be a "dudu" was also bitter right?
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:10 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: hey come on!
nobody take it personal please.. mine is just an effort to point a general fact. |
One thing you will see is that we can't handle generalizations 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:11 pm |
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Well you have proved yourself a non-dudu so welcome to my gang
NO MORE BLONDE JOKES PLEASE |
Okay!
I am in!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:11 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: Quoting femme_fatal: look guys
i give up on bidding
im out of auction
take him
dont wanna a dudu |
and keep this in mind!
There will always be stupid dudus around as long as there are fat assed blonde women who die for a lover 20 years younger. a good f..k and love words make them even more stupid and blind to the realities... a hundred times I tried to warn them but noone wants to see the truth untill they find the bitter truth in the end. |
Do you really think the Dudu's are stupid? It is the dumb, fat assed blondes that are stupid! There is a saying, 'leave your brain at the airport and collect on the way home' and that is exactly what they do - if they are daft enough to hand over money, phones etc etc well then they have to deal with the consequences - guess what, I dont have much symapathy
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:13 pm |
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Quote: Quoting kedycan:
Well you have proved yourself a non-dudu so welcome to my gang
NO MORE BLONDE JOKES PLEASE |
Okay!
I am in! |
Great
Rules are simple - agree with everything I say. Disagree with Catwomen and try to discredit all her posts
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:14 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Great
Rules are simple - agree with everything I say. Disagree with Catwomen and try to discredit all her posts |
Oh, she forgot to mention also - ALWAYS agree with Alameda, Alpha, Vineyards, Qdemir... and sometimes with femme - if possible. The rest of the time, you can play with your toys.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:15 pm |
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Quoting libralady: There is a saying, 'leave your brain at the airport and collect on the way home' |
Libralady!
I knew you travelled to Turkey (and other countries) A LOT, but I had no idea this was your motto!!!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:17 pm |
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Quoting libralady: Do you really think the Dudu's are stupid? It is the dumb, fat assed blondes that are stupid! There is a saying, 'leave your brain at the airport and collect on the way home' and that is exactly what they do - if they are daft enough to hand over money, phones etc etc well then they have to deal with the consequences - guess what, I dont have much symapathy |
I can't in any way justify assoholic, deceitful behavior of any woman or men, but I completely agree that those stupid women get what they want. However, it's also important to mention that our culture encourages women behave this way.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:17 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: Great
Rules are simple - agree with everything I say. Disagree with Catwomen and try to discredit all her posts |
Oh, she forgot to mention also - ALWAYS agree with Alameda, Alpha, Vineyards, Qdemir... and sometimes with femme - if possible.
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Kedycan it is important that you ignore the above advice!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:19 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: Great
Rules are simple - agree with everything I say. Disagree with Catwomen and try to discredit all her posts |
Oh, she forgot to mention also - ALWAYS agree with Alameda, Alpha, Vineyards, Qdemir... and sometimes with femme - if possible.
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Kedycan it is important that you ignore the above advice! |
hahah... ok
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:20 pm |
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Are ALL Elisabeths this angry...?
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:21 pm |
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Are ALL Elisabeths this angry...? |
I believe so. Both queens were a bit ratty and Hurley is a beach
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:22 pm |
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Actually, that's not what she said....you are editing to have fun...maybe you should read it again. She makes a lot of sense.
"Do you really think the Dudu's are stupid? It is the dumb, fat assed blondes that are stupid! There is a saying, 'leave your brain at the airport and collect on the way home' and that is exactly what they do - if they are daft enough to hand over money, phones etc etc well then they have to deal with the consequences - guess what, I dont have much symapathy" Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting libralady: There is a saying, 'leave your brain at the airport and collect on the way home' |
Libralady!
I knew you travelled to Turkey (and other countries) A LOT, but I had no idea this was your motto!!! |
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:22 pm |
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Are ALL Elisabeths this angry...? |
I believe so. Both queens were a bit ratty and Hurley is a beach |
So what is the poor Kedy supposed to do when YOU agree with me???
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:23 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Actually, that's not what she said....you are editing to have fun...maybe you should read it again. She makes a lot of sense. |
Alameeeeeeeeeeda!!!!!!! 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:23 pm |
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Quote: Quoting AEnigma III:
Are ALL Elisabeths this angry...? |
I believe so. Both queens were a bit ratty and Hurley is a beach |
I am not angry...I am a bitter fat ass!! 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:24 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: Actually, that's not what she said....you are editing to have fun...maybe you should read it again. She makes a lot of sense. |
Alameeeeeeeeeeda!!!!!!! |
I wish you would cease all this merry making! Stop having fun and start sucking lemons, Catwoman!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:24 pm |
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dont worry about kedy! no problem here
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:25 pm |
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girls,
you still havent agreed on this boy?
vai vai
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:26 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Actually, that's not what she said....you are editing to have fun...maybe you should read it again. She makes a lot of sense. |
Alameda what has happened to you
Yes I am editing to have fun - of course I understood what Libralady was saying - to a certain degree I agree with her, there is blame on both sides, there is always sometimes hurt on both sides.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:26 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting libralady: There is a saying, 'leave your brain at the airport and collect on the way home' |
Libralady!
I knew you travelled to Turkey (and other countries) A LOT, but I had no idea this was your motto!!! |
Oh yes, as you know I am well travelled, been all around the world, 4 or 5 times, it gets so tedious I just dont remember, maybe I have travelled nearly as much as you, But I have never been to the Isle of White! Oooops must have forgotten to collect my brain last time............ Wight
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:26 pm |
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wake up, alameda!
are you alive?
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:27 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: girls,
you still havent agreed on this boy?
vai vai
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yes.. you still havent agreed on me?? come oon
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:27 pm |
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isle of wight
oops
my eyes are exhausted 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:28 pm |
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Quoting libralady: Oh yes, as you know I am well travelled, been all around the world, 4 or 5 times, it gets so tedious I just dont remember, maybe I have travelled nearly as much as you, But I have never been to the Isle of White! Oooops must have forgotten to collect my brain last time............ Wight |
We are quits then - I have never been to Norfolk I have though, been to the Shetland Islands
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:29 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting libralady: Oh yes, as you know I am well travelled, been all around the world, 4 or 5 times, it gets so tedious I just dont remember, maybe I have travelled nearly as much as you, But I have never been to the Isle of White! Oooops must have forgotten to collect my brain last time............ Wight |
We are quits then - I have never been to Norfolk I have though, been to the Shetland Islands |
how do you pronounce shetland?
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:31 pm |
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turkish legal system
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:33 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting libralady: Oh yes, as you know I am well travelled, been all around the world, 4 or 5 times, it gets so tedious I just dont remember, maybe I have travelled nearly as much as you, But I have never been to the Isle of White! Oooops must have forgotten to collect my brain last time............ Wight |
We are quits then - I have never been to Norfolk I have though, been to the Shetland Islands |
how do you pronounce shetland? |
S H E T L A N D
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:33 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: turkish legal system
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Femme, be gentle with your head, you already have research problems!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:33 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: turkish legal system
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There is no system...just don't insult Turkishness....it's not hard to understand, Femme....even us bed Amerikans understand it.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:40 pm |
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Quoting libralady:
Do you really think the Dudu's are stupid? It is the dumb, fat assed blondes that are stupid! There is a saying, 'leave your brain at the airport and collect on the way home' and that is exactly what they do - if they are daft enough to hand over money, phones etc etc well then they have to deal with the consequences - guess what, I dont have much symapathy |
hooray! libra is here! 
but libra enjoys dudu translations and even defends the dudu and duduets from evil gangs!
thats how she shows no sympathy to duduism!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:40 pm |
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urgent please!
can someone translate me this pleaseee?
"askim sana mesaj atamıyorum cunku param yok. bir de telefonum bozuldu yeni telefon almam laz,m. serni cok cok pzluyorum. geceleri uyuyamiyorum seni dusunmekten. seni cok ozledim, seni cok seviyorum. hasretine dayanamiyorum. aöa dayanabilmem icin biraz para lazim. para yolla paraaaaaaaaa.... "
heheh!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:41 pm |
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Quoting libralady:
S H E T L A N D |
sounds a bit ... hmmm...
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:44 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting kedycan: urgent please!
can someone translate me this pleaseee?
"askim sana mesaj atamıyorum cunku param yok. bir de telefonum bozuldu yeni telefon almam laz,m. serni cok cok pzluyorum. geceleri uyuyamiyorum seni dusunmekten. seni cok ozledim, seni cok seviyorum. hasretine dayanamiyorum. aöa dayanabilmem icin biraz para lazim. para yolla paraaaaaaaaa.... "
heheh! |
Hahahahahaha |
P.S: I met him in Kemer last year. He is my boyfriend. But I am not sure if I love thim! Ms. X
holaaaaaaaa
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 10:53 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: P.S: I met him in Kemer last year. He is my boyfriend. But I am not sure if I love thim! Ms. X
holaaaaaaaa |
It is normal in love to not be sure of things, but if you're always negative, you'll never give love a chance! Send the money, sponsor his visa and hope it's luv! 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 11:01 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting kedycan: P.S: I met him in Kemer last year. He is my boyfriend. But I am not sure if I love thim! Ms. X
holaaaaaaaa |
It is normal in love to not be sure of things, but if you're always negative, you'll never give love a chance! Send the money, sponsor his visa and hope it's luv! |
yes, I agree... love always deserve a chance
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 11:12 pm |
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Quoting kedycan: Quoting catwoman: Quoting kedycan: P.S: I met him in Kemer last year. He is my boyfriend. But I am not sure if I love thim! Ms. X
holaaaaaaaa |
It is normal in love to not be sure of things, but if you're always negative, you'll never give love a chance! Send the money, sponsor his visa and hope it's luv! |
yes, I agree... love always deserve a chance |
Its also deserves some careful consideration.I would not advice jumping in feet first, I hate to be a mood killer but one has to think about these things.If it is meant to be God will make it happen.Inşallah.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 11:18 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: Its also deserves some careful consideration.I would not advice jumping in feet first, I hate to be a mood killer but one has to think about these things.If it is meant to be God will make it happen.Inşallah. |
You're not a mood killer canim, I was being sarcastic a bit . Of course it deserves careful consideration - that's the point.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 11:21 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting SERA_2005: Its also deserves some careful consideration.I would not advice jumping in feet first, I hate to be a mood killer but one has to think about these things.If it is meant to be God will make it happen.Inşallah. |
You're not a mood killer canim, I was being sarcastic a bit . Of course it deserves careful consideration - that's the point. |
I am glad we can see our way to agreement on this issue!!
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