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abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 02:46 am |
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Quoting alameda: One thing I'm deeply disturbed by is the discounting and trivialization of men's feelings towards parenting. I' sat with man who was deeply scared and cried for his lost child when his wife had a late stage abortion. It was as if he had been castrated. Any choice regarding their parenting feelings were totaly discounted in favor of the woman's desires. This treats men like commodoties rather than responsible, feeling human beings. |
men have LOTS of privilages because of the fact that they don't have to give birth. if they want to give birth, their feelings will be more important, right now it's the person who would have to be pregnant that can and will decide about her choice.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 03:39 am |
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To some being able to give birth to a child is a privilege on its own. It is just a matter of how you see things.
I have male friends who think badly of women saying they are self-centered, aloof creatures who think of themselves all the time. They would marry a man for his money or power and then try to use his power to her advantage.
Just like above opinion, yours is a point of view. Although I essentially agree with you about leaving the decision about abortion to women, I don't agree that being a male is an all advantageous thing.
For example, in my country, you don't have to risk your lives to defend your country chasing terrorists at minus 30 degrees on tops of mountains. Work life can be very demanding for a male. Most males are supposed to earn the bread money for their families. They must always be strong, this need alone causes males to abondon some of the subtler aspects of their personalities. Luckily for women, despite all those difficulties, there are still romantic males who write poems for their ladies or bring them flowers after having spent a strenuous day and those who honestly dedicate their lives to their wives.
Society is chaos, there are indeed some good things happening in that chaos too.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 04:31 am |
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I agree with you Vineyards. However, the main privilage that males have is that THEY run the society, they dominate virtually all areas of life. Just because they're male. Males are taken more seriously, are encouraged to be more independent and successful and aren't killed for having sex before marriage... (to name a few).
But I agree that patriarchy isn't fair, it also hurts men.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 04:48 am |
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From where I stand I don't seem to enjoy that power myself. I leave most important decisions to my wife. She decides which room will be mine, what color the walls will be, where we are going on vacation this year and when she wants to invite her large group of female friends (in which case I am expected to leave the house.) We both work and have our seperate budgets and while my money has to be spent the way she wants, I have no control over hers. As you see, sexism does not enter my household all that much.
An impala in the savannah is supposed to co-exist with lions and other predetors. An impala has no chance to complain of its world. It happily lives and tries to remain in one piece. We cannot change the world by complaining of it. This world will be closer to what we may call ideal someday. Until that time, fighting goes on in all spheres of life. This fight is hardly a fight of the sexes, there are more profound calamities like ignorance, illiteracy, barbarism etc.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 03:34 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: I hate to be a thread spoiler, but has anyone concidered that neither the woman or the man have the right to decide whether a child lives or dies. You are casually speaking of the blantant disregard for the sanctity of human life. Who has more of a right to end a human life?
I have spent a lot of time working on the other side of this issue (Pro Life) and you are wrong if you think many women don't regret it and that it is a big problem. It seems the woman in the famous Roe V. Wade case does herself. I don't have any fancy statistics to to back me up but I have known many women personally who deeply regret their decision. That's not to say that a vast majority have an abortion and then feel releaved but you shouldn't discount the ones who do as a small statistic. |
So where do you stand on these issues?
To carry on with a pregnancy the women puts her life in danger
The child will be a severly brain damaged or disabled and dependent for the rest of its "life"
The child is a product of rape
The child is a product of insest
Just wondering how pro-life see that.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 03:36 pm |
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Quoting libralady: So where do you stand on these issues?
To carry on with a pregnancy the women puts her life in danger
The child will be a severly brain damaged or disabled and dependent for the rest of its "life"
The child is a product of rape
The child is a product of insest
Just wondering how pro-life see that. |
I am interested too....which is a bit like agreeing....which means it must be time for my medication... 
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 04:02 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: I agree with you Vineyards. However, the main privilage that males have is that THEY run the society, they dominate virtually all areas of life. Just because they're male. Males are taken more seriously, are encouraged to be more independent and successful and aren't killed for having sex before marriage... (to name a few).
But I agree that patriarchy isn't fair, it also hurts men. |
Catwoman dont you think you are selling women short. The picture you paint is of women being the weaker sex,all pathetic and helpless.Your not exactly giving yourself much credit are you. Most men do not seek to opress women they simply want to live their lives just as everyone else. For some reason radical feminists have got it into their heads that men want to rule the world in totality and everything they do is with a view to keep women down and in their place.It reminds me of marxism but instead of having the bourgeoisie there are males and instead of having the proletariat there are females.What does this say for the women who are in high positions of power and the men who are not at all.What about the men who are 'stay at home husbands'.Does that mean they are not masculine..no of course it doesnt! Why does it always have to be talked about in this paradigm of women as weak and pathetic and men as strong and powerful.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 07:15 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: I agree with you Vineyards. However, the main privilage that males have is that THEY run the society, they dominate virtually all areas of life. Just because they're male. Males are taken more seriously, are encouraged to be more independent and successful and aren't killed for having sex before marriage... (to name a few).
But I agree that patriarchy isn't fair, it also hurts men. |
Catwoman, what makes you think women have no power, influence nothing in society and don't dominate some areas of life......and places where women are killed for having sex before marriage are rare.
If you try to compete in male dominated areas (that is areas that rely specifically on male talents), you are out of your league. On the other hand, they face the same fate if they try the reverse.
Every woman does not share your goals of a unisex world.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 07:39 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Every woman does not share your goals of a unisex world. |
Nobody wants a "unisex" world, but complacency and being under the false illusion that we have equal rights in the west because the law says so, is ignorance.
Just in the news yesterday:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7186378.stm
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 07:46 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: Catwoman dont you think you are selling women short. The picture you paint is of women being the weaker sex,all pathetic and helpless.Your not exactly giving yourself much credit are you. Most men do not seek to opress women they simply want to live their lives just as everyone else. For some reason radical feminists have got it into their heads that men want to rule the world in totality and everything they do is with a view to keep women down and in their place.It reminds me of marxism but instead of having the bourgeoisie there are males and instead of having the proletariat there are females.What does this say for the women who are in high positions of power and the men who are not at all.What about the men who are 'stay at home husbands'.Does that mean they are not masculine..no of course it doesnt! Why does it always have to be talked about in this paradigm of women as weak and pathetic and men as strong and powerful. |
Ahh dear Sera. If the world was full of women like you, we would not even have the vote... 
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 07:53 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting alameda: Every woman does not share your goals of a unisex world. |
Nobody wants a "unisex" world, but complacency and being under the false illusion that we have equal rights in the west because the law says so, is ignorance.
Just in the news yesterday:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7186378.stm
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