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abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 09:20 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: I don't agree with that,all i was saying is it doesnt have to be as radicalised as catwoman seems to think it is.She talks about it as if men are going around being totally sexist and the world is set up to be against women.Well i'm sorry but that just isnt the case! Your only weak and voulnerable if you make yourself 'feel' like the victim.No one has to be pathetic if they don't want to be. |
But the fact is, even if you just consider the west, women ARE still victims! You think it is fair that we get paid less?
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 09:26 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: alameda, I already said these are MY opinions. |
Great Elisabeth....it's just that some of the pro-life groups seek to force all women to bring to term pregnacies regardless of the condition and feelings of the women directly impacted.
I see this as a religious freedome issue as well, seeing as all religions do not have the same concept as to the begining of human life.
Another frightening prospect is check points for all women of child perceived bearing age, sort of a "do you have a fertilized egg in you". Forced tests and so forth. It seems like a bizzar prospect, but stranger things have happened.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 09:31 pm |
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I believe sex something to be between couples, whether they are in a strong commitment, a marriage or a one-night-stand. These are all personal choices, and the fact that I think 'no sex before marriage' is non-sense, doesnt mean I promote one-night-stands either. Everybody lives according to their own standards, and that is also how you find your partner in bed (leaving rape and abuse out). Sexual feelings emerge around the age of 15, and its perfectly healthy and normal for young adults to have their first sexual experiences at the age of 17 (basing these numbers according to Dutch society). I think that as long as you think you are old enough to have sex, you should be responsible enough to protect unwanted pregnancies. There are lots of ways to avoid them, most of them perfectly safe. I believe the morning-after pill to be the only option in case of a torn condom or a rape. Not because I am against the use of morning-after-pills, but I am against irresponsibility on matters that involve life, especially when it is a life that will bind 3 people with eachother for the rest of their lives.
I have double feelings about abortion, but can think of scenarios that it could be prefered (eg. the risk of the mother-to-be's life, as mentioned before) and find it short-sighted to just 'degrade' it to 'murder'.
However, after reading some arguements pro-adoption, I have to admit that that option never came to my mind. I have always believed that, if the parents (or one of them) dont think he/she can offer a good home and a future for the baby (either financially or emotionally, things that have to be stable in a relatinship before starting a family), abortion seems the sollution. But adoption.. You got me all thinking on this topic again 
To speak for myself, I for myself dont see abortion as an opiton, if I would, unplanned, get pregnant. Maybe I could not offer the child the future that I could after graduating and making money, but I know I have to offer enough to bring it to life. And I think that is what matters.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 10:06 pm |
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I'm really surprised to hear some of these opinions because I thought that most people were pro-choice nowadays. But this is interesting. Women who are pro-life, as it is called, are very brave in my eyes but don't you think that every woman should have the choice to decide what is best in her specific case? This question is mainly directed to those of you who feel very strongly about (women's) rights and conditions in general.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 10:10 pm |
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Quoting azade: This question is mainly directed to those of you who feel very strongly about (women's) rights and conditions in general. |
I can only speak for myself, but I think you will find that MOST people who feel strongly about women's rights feel equally strongly about ALL human rights.
They are not man-haters, just people who are against any kind of discrimination and cruelty.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 10:14 pm |
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Quoting azade: I'm really surprised to hear some of these opinions because I thought that most people were pro-choice nowadays. But this is interesting. Women who are pro-life, as it is called, are very brave in my eyes but don't you think that every woman should have the choice to decide what is best in her specific case? This question is mainly directed to those of you who feel very strongly about (women's) rights and conditions in general. |
I personally don't feel this is a womans rights issue so much as a human rights issue. My opinions are not meant to impose my will upon anyone else, but are offered as a decenting opinion in this forum. I think the choice should be made before you have sex....not after. In the case of a violent conception thru rape or incest, there are still options, although it is not an easy road. To say there is no option, in these cases but abortion isn't fair.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 10:14 pm |
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I agree with you Aenigma but I'm asking because in my head forbidding abortion by law is a restriction and thus violation of a woman's rights.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 10:17 pm |
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Quoting azade: I'm really surprised to hear some of these opinions because I thought that most people were pro-choice nowadays. But this is interesting. Women who are pro-life, as it is called, are very brave in my eyes but don't you think that every woman should have the choice to decide what is best in her specific case? This question is mainly directed to those of you who feel very strongly about (women's) rights and conditions in general. |
Since some of us are Pro-Life and several questions were posed to us pertaining to rape etc.. I would like to know from people who are Pro-Choice, when is it accceptable to a have an abortion and how many times? Should a women be allowed to abort a number of times or should there be a limit?
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 10:29 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting azade: I'm really surprised to hear some of these opinions because I thought that most people were pro-choice nowadays. But this is interesting. Women who are pro-life, as it is called, are very brave in my eyes but don't you think that every woman should have the choice to decide what is best in her specific case? This question is mainly directed to those of you who feel very strongly about (women's) rights and conditions in general. |
I personally don't feel this is a womans rights issue so much as a human rights issue. My opinions are not meant to impose my will upon anyone else, but are offered as a decenting opinion in this forum. I think the choice should be made before you have sex....not after. In the case of a violent conception thru rape or incest, there are still options, although it is not an easy road. To say there is no option, in these cases but abortion isn't fair. |
At the time when it is considdered a fetus abortion is illegal so it doesn't violate human rights. An embryo and a fetus until some point (I don't remember the exact time) is completely dependant on the woman and is not a human. it has the potential to be, but it is still not.
I'm not a hardcore pro-choice per say, everyone should definitely be as responsible as possible but if you're in real (bad) luck even with protection you can get pregnant and then there will be situations where abortion would be the best of two bad options. Maybe I'm naive on this matter but I chose not to believe that women would use it as a form of birth control because abortion is obviously a very bad experience. Even if one out of a thousand took would do that, should we then sacrifice the 999 women just to punish her?
Personally I'd love to have children in the near future but it's just the worst time possible, we would have less than nothing to offer them. It is a hard job taking care of a baby both emotionally and economically. If someone who sincerely doesn't want to have any children accidentially got pregnant imagine the kind of life would be waiting for both of them.
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15 Jan 2008 Tue 10:31 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting azade: I agree with you Aenigma but I'm asking because in my head forbidding abortion by law is a restriction and thus violation of a woman's rights. |
YOU CALLED ME CATWOMAN!!!     |
Off! Why do you have to be so quick you!!
I scrolled down the page pretty quickly so when i stopped scrolling I didn't see the username and i thought you were catowman haha 
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