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Military service announcement??
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 10:52 pm |
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Quoting caliptrix:
I think so.
On the other hand, because many of the new soldiers who are just private are sent to the terrorism areas even though there are much more experienced soldiers. Then, they are killed because of nonexperience. If army will send less experienced soldiers, why do the high-level soldiers exist? |
I didn't know this. It does seem unfair - especially as the high-level soldiers have chosen that job as a career and are paid for it. Why should compulsory inexperienced soldiers be used as bullet fodder? 
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26 Jan 2008 Sat 11:48 pm |
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I am sure every single turkish boy is ready to give his life for Turkey. I have no doubt about this. But that applications are strange.
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 01:20 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
There was an experimental TV show a year or so ago called Boot Camp where the worst offenders were sent off to a military camp. They bucked and screamed their way through the first few weeks, but gradually gained self-respect (and respect for others) and came out of the camp completely changed, responsible HUMANS!
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I saw that show and it was a great laugh!  Wasn't it called Bad Lads Army or something? Anyway what those guys went through is still nothing compared to the present turkish army. Especially considdering this:
Quoting caliptrix:
On the other hand, because many of the new soldiers who are just private are sent to the terrorism areas even though there are much more experienced soldiers. Then, they are killed because of nonexperience. If army will send less experienced soldiers, why do the high-level soldiers exist? |
But I've shared my view on that several times already
Quoting caliptrix: I am sure every single turkish boy is ready to give his life for Turkey. I have no doubt about this. But that applications are strange. |
I don't think it is fair to expect them to risk their lives for this cause, because obviously they don't need to. As Aenigma said they are living targets because of their lack of training and experience.
How can Büyükanıt & co call them martyrs and heroes when it's basically their fault they died? How honerable it is to be careless with people's lives.  Surely the soldiers deserve more respect than that from the army big shots, hiding behind office desks and traditions, who force them to play russian roulette with their lives.
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 01:35 am |
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Do not search for a logic in this situation please...
Its just related to morals and feelings...If you want to do whatever you duty you get willingly and with a love... you can be greatest soldier in your life in that 3 months...
First of all, you are not going to die there, this is what you have to do for being Turkish Citizen, there is another option, you can quit your being citizen if you dont want to do that, nobody forces you for that... if you are supposed to go, you will go...
Remember you told once that you never face with terrorism before... so it will be hard for you to understand it... Cultures are different, mentality is different...
And when you have a big population of young people... you need military service at least to educate them a little... and see what is to be alone with people from your countries different region...
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 01:39 am |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Do not search for a logic in this situation please...
Its just related to morals and feelings...If you want to do whatever you duty you get willingly and with a love... you can be greatest soldier in your life in that 3 months...
First of all, you are not going to die there, this is what you have to do for being Turkish Citizen, there is another option, you can quit your being citizen if you dont want to do that, nobody forces you for that... if you are supposed to go, you will go...
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I know. The turkish army is very unlogic :-S
And you do know that it's currently 15 months, right? Not three.
Soldiers DO die there. I don't know which way is worse - by the hand of terrorists or themselves...
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 01:47 am |
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Quoting azade:
I know. The turkish army is very unlogic :-S
And you do know that it's currently 15 months, right? Not three.
Soldiers DO die there. I don't know which way is worse - by the hand of terrorists or themselves... |
The duration of military is 15 monthes yes, but at the first 3 monthes you get basic trainings, then you get specialized on their branches...
Who dies there come on? I have lots of friends now and no one says its bad... all of the says i am fine! All of them... nationalists, jews, left wing supporters...
Why?
To die? Thats the fact of life... by a bullet or traffic accident...or by earthquake... you can never know about this...
If you think you go there to die... you have problems...
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 01:49 am |
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The thing is Sui, have you actually done military service? The reason I ask is that I notice a big difference from the patriotic posts of those who have not, and the less glorified posts of those who have 
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 01:53 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: The thing is Sui, have you actually done military service? The reason I ask is that I notice a big difference from the patriotic posts of those who have not, and the less glorified posts of those who have |
I havent done yet, when my time will come i will do it aswell... This has nothing to do with being patriotic... Its just mentality... the point of life... this is what i have to do for being a Turkish Citizen, they dont expect me to save the country... i just need to serve it...
Though i didnt do the military service... I have lived there 2 years, when the region was very hot between 94-96... it was even worse than serving military service... to look at the door and waiting for father... and thinking what will happen while walking in the streets... anyway it passed... i am glad i lived there... that will pass aswell...
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 03:10 am |
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Quoting SuiGeneris:
The duration of military is 15 monthes yes, but at the first 3 monthes you get basic trainings, then you get specialized on their branches...
Who dies there come on? I have lots of friends now and no one says its bad... all of the says i am fine! All of them... nationalists, jews, left wing supporters...
Why?
To die? Thats the fact of life... by a bullet or traffic accident...or by earthquake... you can never know about this...
If you think you go there to die... you have problems...
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Three months does hardly make you a pro in the army where minor mistakes can be the difference between life and death. Even though you are trained in something specific does not mean that's the post you will be assigned to for the 12 months remaining.
Well just because none your friends lost their lives in the army doesn't mean loads of others haven't. I'm sure you will know if you remember what happened in October. Being the most recent "big" event. Soldiers also commit suicide but that's not talked of in the media of course. Very hush hush, them being cowards and all...
Yes everyone dies at one point, that's what we are born to do, but there is are different ways! Did you read what I said on being careless with peoples lives?
It's all very dandy when you see the twisted picture in the media but a different matter when you are there yourself. Would you like to be trained as sihhiye (not learning how to shoot properly) and then go to şirnak (perhaps with a 50 year malfunctioning fire arm) for example? Think you would also change your opinion then.
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 03:13 am |
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Quoting SuiGeneris:
Though i didnt do the military service... I have lived there 2 years, when the region was very hot between 94-96... it was even worse than serving military service... to look at the door and waiting for father... and thinking what will happen while walking in the streets... anyway it passed... i am glad i lived there... that will pass aswell... |
How do you think that's worse? Think about being IN the army at that time, wearing the hot clothes, boots, hat, heavy gear, perhaps waiting in the sun for hours or running around a track all day. With the complete outfit.
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 03:32 am |
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Quoting azade: Quoting SuiGeneris:
Though i didnt do the military service... I have lived there 2 years, when the region was very hot between 94-96... it was even worse than serving military service... to look at the door and waiting for father... and thinking what will happen while walking in the streets... anyway it passed... i am glad i lived there... that will pass aswell... |
How do you think that's worse? Think about being IN the army at that time, wearing the hot clothes, boots, hat, heavy gear, perhaps waiting in the sun for hours or running around a track all day. With the complete outfit. |
You just have to live! thats all i can say!
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