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Military service announcement??
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 09:27 pm |
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In islam there are two kinds of sins...those committed against Allah himself..disobedience to or negligence of his orders etc...and those comitted againt persons ie, cheating a love stricken lady of her laptop, pretending to love her.
If you are a moslem and you die fighting in protecion of your fatherland or religion, all sins committed against Allah himself are written off. You still have to pay for the laptop.
The above is a simplified version.
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 09:30 pm |
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Quoting azade: Well I'm muslim but I believe that one should not throw their life away for something they don't believe in.
Fighting for one's homeland is a great and admireable deed, but there should be pure intentions behind it and no one should be forced to do it.
If everyone (men and women) had the choice of joining the army you would get loads of great soldiers who would defend their homeland much better than twice the amount of drafted soldiers. If you don't want to completely throw away the concept of mandatory army service then give them a choice to do something else, there's loads of things they could do for the community instead.
On the thought of helping families of young martyrs, don't you think the families would be more proud than bitter if they knew their sons (or daughters) did it because it was something they believed in? |
NO DEAL !
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 09:30 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: In islam there are two kinds of sins...those committed against Allah himself..diobedience to or negligence of his orders...and those comitted againt persons ie, cheating a love stricken lady of her laptop, pretending to love her.
If you are a moslem and you die fighting in protecion of your fatherland or religion all sins committed against Allah himself are written off. You still have to pay for the laptop.
The above is a simplified version. |
Indeed it is a VERY simplified version Alpha. "Defence of your fatherland or religion" encompasses quite a lot! If we use this as a rough guide, then I can only deduce that your answer is "yes terrorists do go to eternal paradise" because they are doing their acts in protection of their fatherland or religion (this would also include PKK terrorists).
Nice religion you have for yourselves...
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 09:32 pm |
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Well....we shall see that up there...
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 09:34 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Hmmmm I wonder if you could clarify something then. Do they ALL go to 'paradise' if they do something in the name of Allah? I am thinking about terrorists now.
For example, if someone came and set off a suicide bomb in your home, killing all your family, in the name of Allah and was quite convinced he was right, you would be happy that he would go to eternal paradise because he is a muslim?  |
Murder is one of the greatest sins.
Brainwashing is a major tool in recruitment of suicide terrorists. They are easy to mess with because they usually come from poverty and has little or no sense of reality.
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 09:34 pm |
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Quoting azade: On the thought of helping families of young martyrs, don't you think the families would be more proud than bitter if they knew their sons (or daughters) did it because it was something they believed in? |
You mean, your family would be proud of you that you killed 10 innocent people because you BELIEVE that Allah wanted you to do that???  
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 09:34 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Well....we shall see that up there... |
Be sure I will be there (at the moment you discover eternal nothingness) to whisper "I told you so" 
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 09:36 pm |
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Quoting azade: Murder is one of the greatest sins.
Brainwashing is a major tool in recruitment of suicide terrorists. They are easy to mess with because they usually come from poverty and has little or no sense of reality. |
Yes, but what's REALLY interesting is that other muslims, who are NOT stricken with poverty, don't protest against this sort of behavior (I assume that there are enough of them to make SOME sort of movement!), some even openly support terrorists or become ones. Where does that come from?
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 09:38 pm |
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Islam is very simple and very nice.
For example, you and I can practically guarantee a place in heaven eternally - only if I could persuade you to convert (sincerely) to Islam.
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 09:38 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting azade: On the thought of helping families of young martyrs, don't you think the families would be more proud than bitter if they knew their sons (or daughters) did it because it was something they believed in? |
You mean, your family would be proud of you that you killed 10 innocent people because you BELIEVE that Allah wanted you to do that??? |
No no this was not about religion.
I'm thinking of the young soldiers forced to risk their lives in the army. When one of those dies their family will have a lot of anger and hatred towards the army/government and will have a real hard time moving on and lead normal lives.
While if those who die accepted that it is a risk and CHOSE to be soldiers (because of their love for the homeland - I'm talking about the turkish army here, not terrorists), their family could be more at peace with it and get on with their lives at some point after processing the loss.
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27 Jan 2008 Sun 09:39 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Islam is very simple and very nice.
For example, you and I can practically guarantee a place in heaven eternally - only if I could persuade you to convert (sincerely) to Islam.
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Are you a virgin though?
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