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4080.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 17 Oct 2009 Sat 09:52 am

Now Christians Demand The Ban of Muslim Prayer

 

Christians Show Islamophobia and Intolerance for Religious Freedom in Opposition to Muslim Day of Prayer

 

As Kirk Cameron goes around spreading lies about how children aren´t allowed to pray or open Bibles in school, there´s an effort to shut down a day of peaceful, non-political prayer in our nation´s capital.

Where is the uproar? What has happened to this nation, founded upon the freedom to worship as one pleases?

Oh. Turns out it´s a bunch of Muslims trying to get together and pray. How dare they!

About 50,000 people were expected at an event in Washington, D.C. Friday afternoon called "Islam on Capitol Hill." Muslims will participate in Jummah Prayer (also known as Jumu´ah, Jum´ah or Friday Prayer), a traditional weekly gathering at a mosque during which Muslims ask for forgiveness for the previous week´s transgressions. A reading from the Koran is also planned, followed by a reception.

Warnings from the religious right about this event have been bouncing around the Internet since it was conceived early this year. Yesterday, the American Family Association (AFA) sent out an "action alert" questioning "whether this event is good for America."

The AFA´s main problem is supposedly that the organizer of the event is a lawyer who has represented people involved with terrorist activities. Now while that might turn a stomach or two, mass murderers and serial rapists are also represented by lawyers, who are charged with providing everyone representation regardless of what public opinion might be. A vocation certainly shouldn´t preclude a person from praying.

The AFA also objects to several political statements by the man who will be reading from the Koran, Sheik Ahmed Dewidar. The organizers note that Dewidar "stood shoulder to shoulder with U.S. President George W. Bush and UN Secretary General Kofi Anan at Ground Zero as Imam of the Islamic Center in Mid-Manhattan to speak on behalf of the Muslim community to condemn the September 11 attacks" and that he will merely be reading Islamic religious text at the event.

This clearly Islamophobic post in response to the AFA´s statement clearly equates the religion with Satanic worship (emphasis mine):

On September 25, 2009 from 4am until 7pm, a National Day of Prayer for the Muslim religion will be held on Capitol Hill, beside the White House. As a Christian, it makes me really wonder where the REAL direction of this country is headed. Well in fact I can clearly see where this nation is headed... into the service of Baal / Allah / Lucifer, what ever name you wish to put on him.

CNN quotes another Christian "leader" who has some funny ideas about the political significance of the event (emphasis mine):

"It is important for Christians to understand that Friday’s Muslim prayer initiative is part of a well-defined strategy to Islamize American society and replace the Bible with the Koran, the cross with the Islamic crescent and the church bells with the Athan [the Muslim call to prayer]," said Rev. Canon Julian Dobbs, leader of the Convocation of Anglicans in North America’s Church and Islam Project, in a written statement.

Doing what they do best, the Annenberg Center´s FactCheck.org took one rambling psycho´s chain e-mail (the writer says the prayer event "should make blood shoot out of your eyes!") and analyzed the specious claims.

Among other falsities they debunk, Fact Check notes that the event is not secretive and that the mainstream media is not ignoring it. They write that the only connection the event has with Obama is that the organizer was inspired to initiate it by the openness of the president´s inauguration speech. He said "for the first time in my lifetime I heard someone of his stature speaking about Islam and Muslims not in an adversarial sense, but in the sense of being welcome and acknowledging we are integral citizens in the society."

Isn´t it too bad that these people have to prove him wrong?

Not only is the Christian right being disingenuous about this issue, they´re also being downright hypocritical. Everything I read from sources condemning the event compared Obama´s supposed support for the Islam on Capitol Hill event with his supposed betrayal of National Prayer Day. Obama has nothing to do with the Muslim event, nor did he do so much as issue a statement about it. The president won´t even be in Washington today. He´s not expected to return from Pittsburgh, where he´s attending the G20 summit, until well after the prayer events have concluded.

The religious right has been licking fake wounds from National Prayer Day since May. As I noted during the ridiculous uproar over President Obama only issuing a statement (as opposed to attending the Washington event where he wouldn´t be allowed to speak by organizers), National Prayer Day is far from inclusive:

Reading the task force´s mission statement, one would think Christians invented prayer. It is unabashedly Christian and clearly sets its sights on the seat of power in this country (emphasis mine):

The National Day of Prayer Task Force´s mission is to communicate with every individual the need for personal repentance and prayer, mobilizing the Christian community to intercede for America and its leadership in the seven centers of power: Government, Military, Media, Business, Education, Church and Family.



Edited (10/17/2009) by mhsn supertitiz

4081.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 17 Oct 2009 Sat 10:13 am

Now Christians Demand Christian Rule in Iraq

 

Christian demonstration in Duhuk calls for self-rule

October 2, 2008 - 01:29:28

DUHUK / Aswat al-Iraq: Some 10,000 Christians demonstrated in the northern Iraq city of Duhuk on Thursday demanding a self-rule in their areas and restore an article granting them representation in local councils to the law on provincial elections.
“The demonstrators will present an official memo to the local authorities in Duhuk province to back their efforts and help them demand the rights of our people,” Jamal Zeno, the chief of the Chaldo-Assyrian Popular Council, told Aswat al-Iraq.
“The demonstrations will continue and calls to have self-rule for the Chaldeo-Assyrian people in their areas included into the constitution will never stop,” Zeno said.

4082.       libralady
5152 posts
 17 Oct 2009 Sat 11:09 am

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

Now Christians Demand Christian Rule in Iraq

 

Christian demonstration in Duhuk calls for self-rule

October 2, 2008 - 01:29:28

DUHUK / Aswat al-Iraq: Some 10,000 Christians demonstrated in the northern Iraq city of Duhuk on Thursday demanding a self-rule in their areas and restore an article granting them representation in local councils to the law on provincial elections.
“The demonstrators will present an official memo to the local authorities in Duhuk province to back their efforts and help them demand the rights of our people,” Jamal Zeno, the chief of the Chaldo-Assyrian Popular Council, told Aswat al-Iraq.
“The demonstrations will continue and calls to have self-rule for the Chaldeo-Assyrian people in their areas included into the constitution will never stop,” Zeno said.

 

 And why not?? If we can build Mosques and Hindu temples etc in the UK why not build churches in a Muslim country? Unsure

4083.       libralady
5152 posts
 17 Oct 2009 Sat 11:10 am

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

and the source is

 

http://cdn.images.dailyexpress.co.uk/img/logo.gif

 

some christian crusaders

 

 Sits with the right wing homophobic Daily Mail............

4084.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 17 Oct 2009 Sat 11:48 am

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

 And why not?? If we can build Mosques and Hindu temples etc in the UK why not build churches in a Muslim country? Unsure

 

there are already churches in Iraq libralady. and that`s why you shouldn`t believe anything the christian media says. <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

4085.       libralady
5152 posts
 17 Oct 2009 Sat 11:59 am

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

there are already churches in Iraq libralady. and that`s why you shouldn`t believe anything the christian media says. <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

 Yes I know, I saw a documentary about a preacher who  feared for his life on a daily basis because of his belief.  He had established a church for the Christian ex pats living there.  I did not say Iraq on purpose, I wrote Muslim countries.......

4086.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 17 Oct 2009 Sat 12:09 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

 Yes I know, I saw a documentary about a preacher who  feared for his life on a daily basis because of his belief.

 

yeah , they don`t make documentaries about the mosque attacks in christian countries.

4087.       _AE_
677 posts
 17 Oct 2009 Sat 12:12 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

 Yes I know, I saw a documentary about a preacher who  feared for his life on a daily basis because of his belief.

 

yeah , they don`t make documentaries about the mosque attacks in christian countries.

 

Oh thanks - I am always looking for a gap in the market - am off to make my documentary now

 

4088.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 17 Oct 2009 Sat 12:17 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 

Oh thanks - I am always looking for a gap in the market - am off to make my documentary now

 

 

cool, I`ll get the pop corn ready. Big smile

4089.       _AE_
677 posts
 17 Oct 2009 Sat 01:23 pm

The government says it will appeal against a ruling that US intelligence documents detailing the alleged torture of an ex-UK resident can be released.


Ethiopian-born Binyam Mohamed, 31, who spent four years in Guantanamo Bay, claims British authorities colluded in his torture while he was in Morocco.


The UK government, which stopped judges publishing the claims on national security grounds, denies any collusion.



A US State Department spokesman said it was "not pleased" by the court ruling.


Any publication of the material will be delayed until an appeal takes place.


Ex-shadow home secretary David Davis - who first raised the case in the House of Commons - said it was "time for the government to accept the ruling of the court and stop trying to delay proceedings with further futile appeals". Mr Davis added: "The British public have a right to know the judges´ assessment of the extent of complicity of the UK and US Intelligence services in torture, and to determine for themselves why the government has tried for so long to cover up this assessment." (Damn right!).



What really annoys me is that if this was an article about Turkey, everyone would be screaming that the Turkish government is keeping secrets from the public and spreading propaganda - when it happens in the UK, people just seem to accept that it is in the "interests of national security".  Bollocks...



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8311847.stm



Edited (10/17/2009) by _AE_
Edited (10/17/2009) by _AE_

4090.       alameda
3499 posts
 18 Oct 2009 Sun 08:56 pm

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