I hope I haven´t been too hateful... but I don´t like people to force me neither to cover up nor open up....

Freedom is for everyone.

 It seems you are unable to rationally discuss this - you are comparing a burka to a bikini, instead of everyday clothes that people wear - the majority of which would satisfy the Quran´s requirement!  As this muslim group in Canada are saying, the burka has nothing to do with the Quran and more to do with men´s jealousy.

If you live in an arab country, then you must be aware that such "rules" create extremes.  It is common to see women shopping in their burkas for their tiny mini skirts, sexy tops and lingerie (much of which would be too tarty even for the west!! ) and going home to play the slut for their demanding husbands.  If you support this hypocracy then fine, but please dont call it "freedom for everyone"

I don´t care what those people say in Canada, but I know a lot of woman who choose to wear it.  And for those women in Canada,

the system is so great, the government will protect those women in case they call the authorities for such a push, why nobody asks for help? 

Because this is what they want.

 But why can´t your minds understand that some people believe in Islam, and do as their religion requires.

And why doesn´t anybody get bothered about nuns? the clothes are very similar, are you going to strip them off in Canada too?  I don´t think so.

Just a quickie, the woman in France was not allowed to a swimming pool just as I wouldn´t be allowed there in jeans and turtle-neck. Whould you support my right to bathe in those?

"So you think a women is humiliated when she doesn´t show her body shape, and her beauty to every man possible on earth, and they are great when they flirt with everyone, show their body to everyone, and satisfy your eyes.

You know what, people like you have turned the women into a piece of meat, and if you are telling me that you don´t notice a womens mini skirt at work, or her breasts in a very generous top  and choose a more beautiful women rather than a fat one to employ, YOU ARE A LIAR MY FRIEND".

Yes, I think it´s humiliating for a woman to be forced to wear a bag for the comfort of men. Are you saying burka is for the protection of women? Not to make men with low self-esteem more assured that their women (I used the possessive pronoun here on purpose) remain theirs? Why it´s bad for women to show their face? Why men shouldn´t be veiled?

Oh, so freedom to decide whether to show your legs or your cleavage or not is what turns women into a piece of meat? I thought that considering them nothing but a stimulus for men´s sins does.

How can you be so blind to see that women who dress inappropriately in your view do so of choice, there is no huband/society/father behind it to tell them a woman must look slutty. They wear what they want, nobody is forced to do so. A lot of burka-wearing ladies suffer consequences if they dare  not to wrap themselves up like a present that they owner can unwrap only.

I´d be perfectly fine with headscarf - it´s not dangerous in terms of public safety - if only worn by choice. Burkas (or niqabs) are nothing but a yore men put on women because it´s more convenient for them this way.

true, I don´t know what women in NY wear and it sure is hard for me to imagine somebody would come out wearing just a thingy on his genitals. In Europe (and I have seen quite a part of it) I have never seen bikini-wearing or nude people in the streets. Sure, many girls wear tiny tops and tiny skirts but that´s what they choose to wear and I don´t see how it´s wrong? I imagine you´ll give me the media argument. But it´s not an obligation, is it?

What is wrong with wearing a mini skirt at work? Although, I don´t think all jobs allow it. Most have dress codes. And the idea that only the beautiful and slutty get jobs is ridiculous. As a matter of fact a lot of beautiful women with brains suffer because people like you focus only on the outside and put their success down to their looks not their brains...You are full of prejudice my friend

Thanks for calling me a lier, in your mouth it is a compliment. Burka is freedom, freedom to wear what you choose is not. Right

I don´t care what those people say in Canada, but I know a lot of woman who choose to wear it.  And for those women in Canada,

the system is so great, the government will protect those women in case they call the authorities for such a push, why nobody asks for help? 

Because this is what they want.

 But why can´t your minds understand that some people believe in Islam, and do as their religion requires.

And why doesn´t anybody get bothered about nuns? the clothes are very similar, are you going to strip them off in Canada too?  I don´t think so.

 Haha you are very naive if you compare Nun´s habit with Burka.  A nun wears those clothes out of her own personal choice, lives with other women, and NEVER changes out of those clothes into sexy ones as soon as the doors are closed.  She is doing it solely for her belief and her clothes do not hinder her movement - her face is not covered. 

 So a nun can do it only because of her believes, but when a Muslim women does it, it is because she is forced, and she is a slut in bed, 

For you information, Islam does not call any women or men not to marry if they are going to follow Islam strictly.  It allows you to maintain a normal life with belief.  And believe me if it did, they would not be married and living with other women like nuns.

As to your objection of my word "slut" - the hypocracy of the change in dress smacks of it.  But perhaps I was a bit harsh - there is a big difference between natural, mutual sexuality and enforced sexuality.  Anything that is expected and demanded of a woman sexually is not a mutual thing between husband and wife, as you so romantically put it, but verges on rape and dominance.

I think you have been wandering in the bedrooms of these women so that you know it is not normal sex but a rape and dominance every single tim.  What you don´t understand is, a women is allowed to show her beauties and share her fantasies with her husband, so she can wear mini skirts or any kind of lingerie.

You are not the one to set the rules what a Muslim women can wear in her bedroom. 

Don´t use your "islam" card to defend this issue - muslims all over the word disagree with the burka.

Just a quickie, the woman in France was not allowed to a swimming pool just as I wouldn´t be allowed there in jeans and turtle-neck. Whould you support my right to bathe in those?

Not exactly.. burquini is a swimwear, that you only wear it for swimming, made of the same swim material as bikinis, only a covered one.  If you think it is the same thing as your turtle neck and jeans, you are wrong.   And are you saying that to be able to swim you have to get naked?  Come on, be fair to yourself at least.

"So you think a women is humiliated when she doesn´t show her body shape, and her beauty to every man possible on earth, and they are great when they flirt with everyone, show their body to everyone, and satisfy your eyes.

You know what, people like you have turned the women into a piece of meat, and if you are telling me that you don´t notice a womens mini skirt at work, or her breasts in a very generous top  and choose a more beautiful women rather than a fat one to employ, YOU ARE A LIAR MY FRIEND".

Yes, I think it´s humiliating for a woman to be forced to wear a bag for the comfort of men. Are you saying burka is for the protection of women? Not to make men with low self-esteem more assured that their women (I used the possessive pronoun here on purpose) remain theirs? Why it´s bad for women to show their face? Why men shouldn´t be veiled?

I agree if they are forced.  What if they are not?  And I am definiteley against the face veil by the way.

Oh, so freedom to decide whether to show your legs or your cleavage or not is what turns women into a piece of meat? I thought that considering them nothing but a stimulus for men´s sins does.

I am saying that today´s society is forcing today´s women´s clothes, body image, hair color, everything.  And believe me it is stronger than a husband, or a family.

How can you be so blind to see that women who dress inappropriately in your view do so of choice, there is no huband/society/father behind it to tell them a woman must look slutty. They wear what they want, nobody is forced to do so. A lot of burka-wearing ladies suffer consequences if they dare  not to wrap themselves up like a present that they owner can unwrap only.

I´d be perfectly fine with headscarf - it´s not dangerous in terms of public safety - if only worn by choice. Burkas (or niqabs) are nothing but a yore men put on women because it´s more convenient for them this way.

true, I don´t know what women in NY wear and it sure is hard for me to imagine somebody would come out wearing just a thingy on his genitals. In Europe (and I have seen quite a part of it) I have never seen bikini-wearing or nude people in the streets. Sure, many girls wear tiny tops and tiny skirts but that´s what they choose to wear and I don´t see how it´s wrong? I imagine you´ll give me the media argument. But it´s not an obligation, is it?

I have no problems with women who wear tiny sexy clothes, and I have no problem who prefer not to wear them.  You have the problem.  You think they are allowed to choose, but the others are not public-safe.  Do you hear what you are saying?

What is wrong with wearing a mini skirt at work? Although, I don´t think all jobs allow it. Most have dress codes. And the idea that only the beautiful and slutty get jobs is ridiculous. As a matter of fact a lot of beautiful women with brains suffer because people like you focus only on the outside and put their success down to their looks not their brains...You are full of prejudice my friend

Well, no women suffer because they are only beautiful, they suffer when they show their privates to everyone in public and flirt with everyone instead of showing off their brains.

Thanks for calling me a lier, in your mouth it is a compliment. Burka is freedom, freedom to wear what you choose is not. Right

First of all:

  Burqa - does not cover the face, niqab or pardah covers the face.

And you don´t have jealous husbands, pushy families in Europe, in US, in Canada or else where?  The women never get raped by their husbands???  The husbands never force you to wear in a particular way?? ETC..

There are bad people everywhere, and you can not group them only as the husbands or the father´s of burqa wearing women?

And the practice in a well known Arab country - is not correct, they are abusive and male oriented.  Women has no name,and I condemn them to encourage extremism of islam.