Yes there are bad men everywhere - but to support a culture which persists in the degradation of women and regards them as possessions and second class citizens really does not help women does it?

Ah, TC!  Nice to see that the mere mention of burqas can still get a conversation going!

How many women actually wear a burka in Canada? Most people say burka when they mean nijab. I´ve never EVER seen a burka for real in my life. A burka even closes the eyes of a woman..so seriously, how many women would a burka-ban affect?

 It´s so cold in Canada anyway!  In the winter, with all the clothes, hats and other coverings.....a burka would probably just be easier! 

Just a little aside....I believe ski masks are still legal!  However, if you see someone walking around in a public place with one on, chances are you will think you are going to get mugged!!

All I am trying to say is:

Why can´t we just be tolerant about each other?

Every one is responsible for their own lives, and if noone is asking for help, who are we to try to save them.

Wouldn´t it be like Iraq, to save them from a chaos and bring in another chaos, and worse than before???

 Merih, I think in a perfect world, we can tolerate eachother with no problems....but this is not a perfect world and in the world there are people who do not have good intentions.  Unfortunately, in our world, burka´s do not say, "I am friendly and tolerant." 

 I do understand that.. that´s very kind of you.  I have this discussion with even my own mum, and my aunt, both well educated, brought up in Turkey.. and they can´t tolerate at all.  No surprise you people don´t like it and I totally understand that.

No hard feelings at all. 

Quoting _AE_

  ............. It is common to see women shopping in their burkas for their tiny mini skirts, sexy tops and lingerie (much of which would be too tarty even for the west!! ) and going home to play the slut for their demanding husbands.  If you support this hypocracy then fine, but please dont call it "freedom for everyone"

ummm......I don´t think a wife dressing and acting in a way to have fun with her husband constitutes being a slut...........how Victorian of you. I am surprised at you.

Bad men exist everywhere.....but I think you are confusing cultures and put the blame in the wrong place.  Do you think being a pimp to one´s women is good? In many cultures women are used to sell products.....now what do you call that....I´d call it pimping.

I´m happy to see you have read and understand that the total covering is not an Islamic rule....I´m sure you realize this tradition did not origin with Islamic culture....

Bronze statuette of a veiled and masked dancer Greek, Hellenistic, 3rd–2nd century B.C.

Actually the first documentation of female veiling appears to come out of the rights of Isis...who said "No man has seen my face"...initiates to her cult covered their faces....that cult spread throughout the Mediterranean.  She became Our Lady of Byblos, Demeter........and so on....

Yes, thats also kind of traditional wearing of Arab women but the wrong thing is to impose this wearing as an order of Islam which is the case mostly and to label women as nonmuslims who do not wear it. Islam firstly advices modesty, and wearing according to this, is kinda relativity that diversifies from environment to environment, society to society and culture to culture. I can understand anyone has right to wear anything freely if it does not restrict the freedom of others but i am against if this type of wearing is used for politically like a uniform or a symbol and if burka is forced on women to oppress them which are those some of the case we encounter unfortunately. So i happen to agree with AE & DD who were i think criticizing these situations.