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EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL
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04 Mar 2008 Tue 07:13 am |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting Leelu: wow!!! I missed a lot on this thread .. I has to go back and start reading it from the beginning ..  .. |
And just where have you been exactly young lady? You better have a really good excuse for not being here!  |
errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm .. the cat ate my homework?
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04 Mar 2008 Tue 07:37 am |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting catwoman: Quoting peace train: Quoting catwoman: Adonis, do you need a separate warning, or will you learn as adonis2? |
Common practice of some users . . . wind 'em up then bleat delete.
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Oh, right... now it's my fault that I "wind 'em up"  |
Catwoman, as the url for this site is turkishclass.com, you can't be upset when people from the culture named protest when they think their culture is being misrepresented or disparaged in some way. You can not appropriate the name of a people and not expect protest when you disparage their culture.
Certainly we have seen some very rude behavior from members here, who were not deleted....The fact of the matter is GG seems to follow my posts and make rude comments on whatever I say. I have ignored it..but you don't say anything about that behavior.
I've seen many young men come here and get upset by what they see. They don't have a great command of English, the idiom used in US English. They are also not at all used to such frontal attacks on what they see as the honor of their country.
If someone is an agnostic, atheist, free thinker they are welcomed, but if they are Muslim or a traditional Turk, they are belittled and insulted by a group here who are bullies.
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How hyprocritical are you Alameda.. Seriously, how many posts of mine have you done this too. Your calling the kettle black if you feel GG follows your posts. And Peacetrain you make me so sick..that you believe that your behavior is above the rest of the members here. I have seen your posts and to be quite frank, I thought you were really loosing it a few weeks ago, with all of this bickering with being deleted and public display of aggression with Aenigma. It was quite a show you led. So, you have your opinions which you certainly have a right too. But in the future some of your arguments would hold more validity, if you also choose to lead by example. Which I think you fail to do at times.
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04 Mar 2008 Tue 08:16 am |
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Quoting Leelu:
errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm .. the cat ate my homework? |
Catwoman ate your homework?? 
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04 Mar 2008 Tue 08:45 am |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting Leelu:
errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm .. the cat ate my homework? |
Catwoman ate your homework?? |
I did not eat her homework!!!  I only eat whiskas! 
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04 Mar 2008 Tue 10:37 am |
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Sorry for cutting into that interesting discussion you were having here about who is better than others. I'd like to go back to the original post - the poem. I have no idea how people can judge it as sexist. If you take into consideration the fact that this is a man having erotic thoughts of a woman then what's wrong with that? Can't men desire women? Would it be better if he claimed to love another guy? Or a fruit? He didn't mean one particular woman here, did he? He wasn't praising the love of his life. He was having sexual fantasies. Come on feminists, if you claim that, having dirty thoughts, it is the male brain that stimulates you, you're lying
Poetry, especially the good one, gives right to express oneself. To amaze, to name what others cannot. Labelling it as "sexist" would mean censoring erotic poetry, and that's a violation of poets' rights. Besides, if you read erotic female poetry, the basis is the same. They write about bodies. Not brains.
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04 Mar 2008 Tue 10:41 am |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Sorry for cutting into that interesting discussion you were having here about who is better than others. I'd like to go back to the original post - the poem. I have no idea how people can judge it as sexist. If you take into consideration the fact that this is a man having erotic thoughts of a woman then what's wrong with that? Can't men desire women? Would it be better if he claimed to love another guy? Or a fruit? He didn't mean one particular woman here, did he? He wasn't praising the love of his life. He was having sexual fantasies. Come on feminists, if you claim that, having dirty thoughts, it is the male brain that stimulates you, you're lying
Poetry, especially the good one, gives right to express oneself. To amaze, to name what others cannot. Labelling it as "sexist" would mean censoring erotic poetry, and that's a violation of poets' rights. Besides, if you read erotic female poetry, the basis is the same. They write about bodies. Not brains. |
I specifically referred to these verses:
"A cicada on my ear, love
-Men get dressed to be dressed
and women get dressed to be naked-
Therefore, because of their desire,
I see all women stark-naked "
I don't care if he's a poet or a homeless or a lawyer. He makes statements that, although maybe harmless, are expressions of men's attitudes towards women that in the general society make up sexism and objectification of women.
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04 Mar 2008 Tue 10:45 am |
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To me it only manifests that women are appealing for him, in contrast to men. I see nothing wrong in openly admitting one's sexual preferences. If I said I'm not attracted to women and that I prefer men, would it make me a sexist?
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04 Mar 2008 Tue 10:50 am |
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Quoting Daydreamer: To me it only manifests that women are appealing for him, in contrast to men. I see nothing wrong in openly admitting one's sexual preferences. If I said I'm not attracted to women and that I prefer men, would it make me a sexist? |
He doesn't say "I'm attracted to women", he says "to me they are all naked"... :-S Yeah, it's an expression of his desires, it may be something completely normal in some circumstances, and I said that this type of attitude among man in daily life is what makes our societies ones that objectify women.
Also, please don't refer to me as "you, feminists", I'm not representing anybody here other than myself.
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04 Mar 2008 Tue 10:57 am |
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Quoting catwoman:
He doesn't say "I'm attracted to women", he says "to me they are all naked"... |
It's poetry sweetie, you can't get too literal there. If you do it'll be what we have in private poetry part here. Nice and I'm sure much appreciated in the authors' families. Still devoid of any critical value.
Quote: :-S Yeah, it's an expression of his desires, it may be something completely normal in some circumstances, and I said that this type of attitude among man in daily life is what makes our societies ones that objectify women. |
From my experience, guys who objectify women don't read poetry  They go for more ehm...visual means.
Quote: Also, please don't refer to me as "you, feminists", I'm not representing anybody here other than myself. |
Did I call you "you, feminists?" Sorry, I am a feminist myself so it should have been "some feminists." Yeah, I believe some are too radical - like those who wanted to put a bra on the Mermaid in Copenhagen...
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04 Mar 2008 Tue 11:11 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Ok canim, you have your point and I have mine I see what you mean, but I am sensitive to male objectification of women. On top of that, I could never interpret poetry correctly! |
point taken 
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