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29 Mar 2008 Sat 11:50 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting janissary: I look forward future and I work for my country to develop better. |
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what? didnt u like my english or what?
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29 Mar 2008 Sat 11:54 am |
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Quoting janissary:
what? didnt u like my english or what? |
What is wrong with you? If I didn't like your English, I would say so. The reason I post a SMİLE is that I liked what you wrote.
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29 Mar 2008 Sat 12:32 pm |
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Quoting janissary: thanks for the information Im really affected by ur reseach. I know that I make ur mind busy much. Im sorry if ı took ur time)
yes. my grand grand father was non muslim. and maybe Im greek, polish or something. BUT Im proud of being turkish (citizen of Turkey). I love my country, my flag, my hometown, other ethnic parts of this land, fishes in the water, birds on a tree, flowers on high mountains, the people who love everything about my country...And Elhamdulillah Im muslim. I look forward future and I work for my country to develop better. |
İ like what you wrote too jan
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29 Mar 2008 Sat 02:15 pm |
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That was interesting, Handsome! I thought that name rang a bell so I checked the Polish equivalent and I saw that Janissaries were Janczarzy (reads Yançajı . In XVII and XVIII century, there were Janissary troops in Polish army (two to be precise). They weren't really to fight there, existed as some kind of curiosity, they'd fight only if the place they were in was in danger. However, they had a famous...band using flutes and drums.
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29 Mar 2008 Sat 09:56 pm |
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Actually before anybody declares how proud to be, lets look at the other side of the coin..
Lets switch greeks and turks:
Imagine greeks have kidnapped a lot of turkish boys and brainwashed them/made them christians and later on, made them kill their turkish parents and families.
what would be your reaction to that then, when that turkish boy comes out and says im proud of what greeks did to me and to my turkish ancestors, im now a proud greek!!
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30 Mar 2008 Sun 11:04 am |
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I think it's a normal law of war - things like incorporating captives into another army used to happen a lot. I'm sure janissaries weren't the only troop created of captives. Don't forget that back then there was no war code like today. Is there a better policy than brainwashing captives and using them to fight for you? Of course, you may want to deal with them another way. You may exterminate all the soldiers you've captured. Barbaric? Old times? Sure, if 1940's Katyn Massacre is a long time ago...
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30 Mar 2008 Sun 12:08 pm |
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Quoting janissary: thanks for the informationIm really affected by ur reseach. I know that I make ur mind busy much. Im sorry if ı took ur time)
yes. my grand grand father was non muslim. and maybe Im greek, polish or something. BUT Im proud of being turkish (citizen of Turkey). I love my country, my flag, my hometown, other ethnic parts of this land, fishes in the water, birds on a tree, flowers on high mountains, the people who love everything about my country...And Elhamdulillah Im muslim. I look forward future and I work for my country to develop better. |
Im proud of being muslim, Turk...Im proud of Turkish history...NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE
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30 Mar 2008 Sun 07:45 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Actually before anybody declares how proud to be, lets look at the other side of the coin..
Lets switch greeks and turks:
Imagine greeks have kidnapped a lot of turkish boys and brainwashed them/made them christians and later on, made them kill their turkish parents and families.
what would be your reaction to that then, when that turkish boy comes out and says im proud of what greeks did to me and to my turkish ancestors, im now a proud greek!! |
Let's look at what was happening in the rest of the world at that time. Let's look at the different treatment of captives and the social potential offered them by the captor society.
The Transatlantic Slave Trade
Later through piracy he took 300 Africans from a Spanish vessel, making it profitable for him to head for the West Indies where he could sell them for money and trade them for provisions. Queen Elizabeth I rewarded him for opening the slave trade for the English by knighting him and giving him a crest that showed a Negro’s head and bust with arms bound secure (Hale [1884] 1967 Vol. 3:6 .
Slave Traffic from Africa 1451-1870
1. 1451–1600: beginning (1/4 million)
2. 1601–1700: growing (1.3 million)
3. 1701–1811: peaking (6 million)
4. 1811–1870: declining (2 million)
a Righteous and Progressive idea
In the year 1457, the Council of Cardinals met in Holland and sanctioned, as a righteous and progressive idea, the enslavement of Africans for the purpose of their conversion to Christianity, and to be exploited in the labor market as chattel property.
This devilish scheme speedily gained the sanctimonious blessing of the Pope and became a standard policy of the Roman Catholic Church and later the Protestant churches, enduring three centuries. And thus the ghastly traffic in human misery was given the cloak of respectability and anointed with the oil of Pontifical righteousness in Jesus' name. And so, the slave trade began, inaugurating an era that stands out as the most gruesome and macabre example of man's disregard for the humanity of man.
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30 Mar 2008 Sun 07:52 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting janissary: thanks for the informationIm really affected by ur reseach. I know that I make ur mind busy much. Im sorry if ı took ur time)
yes. my grand grand father was non muslim. and maybe Im greek, polish or something. BUT Im proud of being turkish (citizen of Turkey). I love my country, my flag, my hometown, other ethnic parts of this land, fishes in the water, birds on a tree, flowers on high mountains, the people who love everything about my country...And Elhamdulillah Im muslim. I look forward future and I work for my country to develop better. |
İ like what you wrote too jan |
Me too 
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30 Mar 2008 Sun 09:08 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Let's look at what was happening in the rest of the world at that time. Let's look at the different treatment of captives and the social potential offered them by the captor society. |
I find this to be a very disturbing comment. Here we have a conversation about something rather horrible and in your comment you are basically changing the topic of discussion and saying that as long as someone else is doing something worse, the first action is justified. This pretty much goes along your general lack of criticism of Islam and Turkey and never confronting the real issue. Very dreadful.
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30 Mar 2008 Sun 09:25 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting thehandsom: Actually before anybody declares how proud to be, lets look at the other side of the coin..
Lets switch greeks and turks:
Imagine greeks have kidnapped a lot of turkish boys and brainwashed them/made them christians and later on, made them kill their turkish parents and families.
what would be your reaction to that then, when that turkish boy comes out and says im proud of what greeks did to me and to my turkish ancestors, im now a proud greek!! |
Let's look at what was happening in the rest of the world at that time. Let's look at the different treatment of captives and the social potential offered them by the captor society.
The Transatlantic Slave Trade
Later through piracy he took 300 Africans from a Spanish vessel, making it profitable for him to head for the West Indies where he could sell them for money and trade them for provisions. Queen Elizabeth I rewarded him for opening the slave trade for the English by knighting him and giving him a crest that showed a Negro’s head and bust with arms bound secure (Hale [1884] 1967 Vol. 3:6.
Slave Traffic from Africa 1451-1870
1. 1451–1600: beginning (1/4 million)
2. 1601–1700: growing (1.3 million)
3. 1701–1811: peaking (6 million)
4. 1811–1870: declining (2 million)
a Righteous and Progressive idea
In the year 1457, the Council of Cardinals met in Holland and sanctioned, as a righteous and progressive idea, the enslavement of Africans for the purpose of their conversion to Christianity, and to be exploited in the labor market as chattel property.
This devilish scheme speedily gained the sanctimonious blessing of the Pope and became a standard policy of the Roman Catholic Church and later the Protestant churches, enduring three centuries. And thus the ghastly traffic in human misery was given the cloak of respectability and anointed with the oil of Pontifical righteousness in Jesus' name. And so, the slave trade began, inaugurating an era that stands out as the most gruesome and macabre example of man's disregard for the humanity of man.
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thnaks for your great post...
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