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31 Mar 2008 Mon 01:37 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta:
janissaries havent educate for killing ppl, they were educated for protecting country...
another point is that century was almost terrible for many nations except for ottomans...cutting head was popular for every people and trade of slave was also usual and ottoman did it as well and gave them priviliges and benefits...
In return for their loyalty and their fervour in war, Janissaries gained privileges and benefits. They received a cash salary, received booty during wartime and enjoyed a high living standard and respected social status.
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Actually,they had gained priviliges and benefits more than the people of the country,even they ruled some cities!
Had authorities over them,which was must for their time to end.
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 02:29 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Deli_kizin: This is a nice proverb  However, it doesn't really match the way most people use 'Ne mutlu Türküm diyene'. It prooves my point that I made long time ago, that it is time to start saying 'Türkiyeli'. Or at least, that it should be accepted that some people prefer to say it that way. |
This is a nice one actually..
Because, the guy taking the doner knife and attacking english supporters/killing some of them/taken to the court, the first thing he says' Ne mutlu Turkum diyene'.
Guy is killing Hrant Dink, the first comment he says 'Ne mutlu Turkum diyene'.
People are starting to get edgy about those words to be honest . |
if an english supporter attack turkish women on the street and swear and show their sexual organ to them, Turkish man would use their knife.
if u live in Turkey and u do many bad things for Turkey, Turkish has right to use their knife...
we use this words everytime not only bad times...ppl in american films say ''god bless USA'' even they were killing ppl...
NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE...
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 02:59 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting Lapinkulta: one Turkish proverb: '' doğduğun değil doydugun yer''(I think I should translate like, u should care about the place where u live,not u born''...
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This is a nice proverb However, it doesn't really match the way most people use 'Ne mutlu Türküm diyene'. It prooves my point that I made long time ago, that it is time to start saying 'Türkiyeli'. Or at least, that it should be accepted that some people prefer to say it that way. |
I dont understand ppl who try to find words instead of Turk. is it so bad to be called as "turk"? maybe we should use like "Türkiye'de yaşayan ama etnik kimlik olarak farklı bir kimliği olan, alt kimliğine daha fazla önem veren bir Türkiye cumhuriyeti vatandaşı, takımlardan Fenerbahçeyi, yemeklerden kuru fasulyeyi sever, rakıyı sek içer" it s a bit long but better and more understandable.
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 03:01 pm |
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Quoting CANLI:
Well,i guess they repeat it over and over again,because they hear words like 'you shouldnt be proud of being Turk'' over and over again,and everytime for different reasons,and different ways!
Sometimes it is frankly said,and others its in the meaning of the speech .
But i agree with you,actually,they shouldnt care less,they know who they are,and what history they have,and in my opinion that is ENOUGH! |
Isn't the point here not that you shouldn't be proud of being a Turk - or whatever nationality you are - but that being proud shouldn't blind you to the fact that your country's past history is far from pefect and you have to accept it (this applies to most of the world) and no amount of arguing or denying this fact is going to change it!
As an example, comments have been made referring to the British and US (and other countries') slave trade - yes it happened, we have never denied it , yes, we accept it was wrong but it is PAST, GONE, DONE, nothing we can do to go back and change it now. But we can admit that it was wrong and we don't feel affronted with the need to defend ourselves if it is mentioned.
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 03:06 pm |
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Quoting janissary: Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting Lapinkulta: one Turkish proverb: '' doğduğun değil doydugun yer''(I think I should translate like, u should care about the place where u live,not u born''...
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This is a nice proverb However, it doesn't really match the way most people use 'Ne mutlu Türküm diyene'. It prooves my point that I made long time ago, that it is time to start saying 'Türkiyeli'. Or at least, that it should be accepted that some people prefer to say it that way. |
I dont understand ppl who try to find words instead of Turk. is it so bad to be called as 'turk'? maybe we should use like 'Türkiye'de yaşayan ama etnik kimlik olarak farklı bir kimliği olan, alt kimliğine daha fazla önem veren bir Türkiye cumhuriyeti vatandaşı, takımlardan Fenerbahçeyi, yemeklerden kuru fasulyeyi sever, rakıyı sek içer' it s a bit long but better and more understandable. |
 That's quite funny Janiss! Do you think it will catch on? (btw I'm laughing WITH you not AT you just in case you misunderstand!)
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 03:11 pm |
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Quoting lady in red: Quoting CANLI:
Well,i guess they repeat it over and over again,because they hear words like 'you shouldnt be proud of being Turk'' over and over again,and everytime for different reasons,and different ways!
Sometimes it is frankly said,and others its in the meaning of the speech .
But i agree with you,actually,they shouldnt care less,they know who they are,and what history they have,and in my opinion that is ENOUGH! |
Isn't the point here not that you shouldn't be proud of being a Turk - or whatever nationality you are - but that being proud shouldn't blind you to the fact that your country's past history is far from pefect and you have to accept it (this applies to most of the world) and no amount of arguing or denying this fact is going to change it!
As an example, comments have been made referring to the British and US (and other countries') slave trade - yes it happened, we have never denied it , yes, we accept it was wrong but it is PAST, GONE, DONE, nothing we can do to go back and change it now. But we can admit that it was wrong and we don't feel affronted with the need to defend ourselves if it is mentioned. |
İ agree with you
But making mistakes in the past didnt deny the thing that France,Britain,or what ever was great Empire!
The case here is a bit different,they face that
'No you are not great ,and shouldnt feel great because you made mistakes in the past!'
So that bring us to same thing again !
''No,we are great,''we are pround, you too had,have,or even will have mistakes !
And it goes on and on again!
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 03:41 pm |
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I dont misunderstand anything. I just see what are there under some sentences. but some ppl use closed words and try to offend Turkish ppl.
Great leader M. Kemal Ataturk said "Ne Mutlu Türküm Diyene!" coz he believed turkish nation and saw turkish nation's fight for Independence. that why he wanted every person to be proud of being Turk. He encouraged turks after indepedence war, he made us believe us that we can achieve to built a modern country after ottoman impire. he just meant" just trust urself and dont think I cant do it". he did really great things for turkey. some foreign members might have difficulty to understand it and they can think we exaggerate Ataturk. I just want them compare turkey with iran, iraq, suriye.
about janissaries, someones should understand one thing. I know what my family come from. you dont need to explain to me and try to show me where I come from. and I know what Handsom trying to say to me. BUT Im proud of being Turk. maybe Im not %100 turk if you look at skull. but it s enought to feel being one part of this country for being a Turk. I dont mind what blood I have or what kinds of skull I have and what was my anchestors. my culture is a turkish culture and Elhamdulillah Im muslim.
saying "Ne Mutlu Türküm Diyene" doesnt mean racism. Coz Ataturk was not a racist. he was one of the biggest humanist, just read what he told about Anzaks after Gallipoli war.
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 06:37 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting alameda: I do not find it any more strange than calling oneself catwoman, Deli-Kizen or thehandsom.] |
Why am I mentioned here? I'm sure you'll say it is just coincedence, but to me it feels like you think the three of us are the same, or something  :-S
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I just wanted to show some nicks, and so I used ones of the one who started the thread and the admins, of which you are one. I know you are not the same. Maybe I should have put all the admins names in, but for brevity, I only used two.
I hope that clears up any confusion in adding your nick in there. 
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But I guess I overreacted 
it s being populer. I havent problem with words. Everybody is free to use whatever they want