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31 Mar 2008 Mon 03:48 am |
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Quoting catwoman:
I am not sure why handsom made this post in the first place, but probably to shed some light on the origin of janissary's nickname. Quite strange why someone would choose this nickname, knowing the meaning of it, don't you think?
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Actually janissaries were strong Soldiers,and had protected the countries from many dangerouse
Even rescue Muslims countries along with the people from mongols taking off
Beside,choosing the nickname i call it personal freedom.
But im not sure what to call the aim of the thread either!
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 04:04 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Actually before anybody declares how proud to be, lets look at the other side of the coin..
Lets switch greeks and turks:
Imagine greeks have kidnapped a lot of turkish boys and brainwashed them/made them christians and later on, made them kill their turkish parents and families.
what would be your reaction to that then, when that turkish boy comes out and says im proud of what greeks did to me and to my turkish ancestors, im now a proud greek!! |
So Turk shouldnt be proud to be Turk !
İnteresting !
Or should we seperate between, pure blood Turk,and none pure blood Turk
First should be proud of being Turk,and secound should be ashamed ?!
Or both should be ashamed ?!
İ dont REALLY get it...!
What would be your pick then ?!
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 08:32 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting thehandsom: Actually before anybody declares how proud to be, lets look at the other side of the coin..
Lets switch greeks and turks:
Imagine greeks have kidnapped a lot of turkish boys and brainwashed them/made them christians and later on, made them kill their turkish parents and families.
what would be your reaction to that then, when that turkish boy comes out and says im proud of what greeks did to me and to my turkish ancestors, im now a proud greek!! |
So Turk shouldnt be proud to be Turk !
İnteresting !
janissaries havent educate for killing ppl, they were educated for protecting country...
another point is that century was almost terrible for many nations except for ottomans...cutting head was popular for every people and trade of slave was also usual and ottoman did it as well and gave them priviliges and benefits...
In return for their loyalty and their fervour in war, Janissaries gained privileges and benefits. They received a cash salary, received booty during wartime and enjoyed a high living standard and respected social status.
one Turkish proverb: '' doğduğun değil doydugun yer''(I think I should translate like, u should care about the place where u live,not u born''...
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 10:25 am |
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Quoting alameda: I do not find it any more strange than calling oneself catwoman, Deli-Kizen or thehandsom.] |
Why am I mentioned here? I'm sure you'll say it is just coincedence, but to me it feels like you think the three of us are the same, or something  :-S
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 10:27 am |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: one Turkish proverb: '' doğduğun değil doydugun yer''(I think I should translate like, u should care about the place where u live,not u born''...
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This is a nice proverb  However, it doesn't really match the way most people use 'Ne mutlu Türküm diyene'. It prooves my point that I made long time ago, that it is time to start saying 'Türkiyeli'. Or at least, that it should be accepted that some people prefer to say it that way.
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 11:43 am |
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 so an informative thread becomes grounds for a conflict? A historical fact that janissaries were not devoted Muslims and Ottoman Empire sons was immediately challenged by the shocking statement that I had already posted that such things were not unique to the Ottomans. What followed was a tirade of those who always feel insulted and attacked even if they aren't. The discussion progressed into the usual Cato -like Carthago delenda est, or, in our case I Am a Proud Turk and Love My Country.
What makes me wonder is why do they have to repeat it over and over again? I thought it was quite normal to love the country you were born and grew up in. Should we all start to do it in every post? If we don't state it over and over again, does it mean we don't? Or is it like a mantra - whenever you start doubting, you go Carthago delenda est and the world is simple again? I've heard that you can't trust those who repeatedly say 'I am trustworthy." People who believe in something do it, they don't need to talk about it every second or they risk being taken for liers...
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 12:14 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting thehandsom: Actually before anybody declares how proud to be, lets look at the other side of the coin..
Lets switch greeks and turks:
Imagine greeks have kidnapped a lot of turkish boys and brainwashed them/made them christians and later on, made them kill their turkish parents and families.
what would be your reaction to that then, when that turkish boy comes out and says im proud of what greeks did to me and to my turkish ancestors, im now a proud greek!! |
So Turk shouldnt be proud to be Turk !
İnteresting !
Or should we seperate between, pure blood Turk,and none pure blood Turk
First should be proud of being Turk,and secound should be ashamed ?!
Or both should be ashamed ?!
İ dont REALLY get it...!
What would be your pick then ?! |
I never said 'a Turk shouldnt be proud to be Turk'. did I?
But I agree with you about 'not getting what I was trying to say'.
I was simply trying to show the other side of the coin.
If Turkish/greek does not make sense to you, you can think of isreal/egypt if you like.
Imagine that jews come and take your son away from you, brain wash him/convert him to a jew/and later on, he shouts with all the breath he has in his lungs 'I am so proud to be a jew and and israeli'.
And I was not trying to insinuate anything to anybody at all..
I dont know why you were being so critical about what I wrote!!
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 12:30 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting catwoman:
I am not sure why handsom made this post in the first place, but probably to shed some light on the origin of janissary's nickname. Quite strange why someone would choose this nickname, knowing the meaning of it, don't you think?
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Actually janissaries were strong Soldiers,and had protected the countries from many dangerouse
Even rescue Muslims countries along with the people from mongols taking off
Beside,choosing the nickname i call it personal freedom.
But im not sure what to call the aim of the thread either!
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As I mentioned in my original post, They were a good army in the beginning but everything changed starting around 1600.
They were 'the pests of the state' for last 200 years in ottoman empire.
The aim of the thread was just to write an informative post about the past of Turks. It was not meant to be for a particular person.
I am planing to write more about these historical topics (if I can find time of course).
Haha next topic can be 'harem in topkapi' for example. And I hope, nobody will jump up saying that 'this is written for me'
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 12:34 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: This is a nice proverb However, it doesn't really match the way most people use 'Ne mutlu Türküm diyene'. It prooves my point that I made long time ago, that it is time to start saying 'Türkiyeli'. Or at least, that it should be accepted that some people prefer to say it that way. |
This is a nice one actually..
Because, the guy taking the doner knife and attacking english supporters/killing some of them/taken to the court, the first thing he says' Ne mutlu Turkum diyene'.
Guy is killing Hrant Dink, the first comment he says 'Ne mutlu Turkum diyene'.
People are starting to get edgy about those words to be honest .
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 01:33 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: so an informative thread becomes grounds for a conflict? A historical fact that janissaries were not devoted Muslims and Ottoman Empire sons was immediately challenged by the shocking statement that I had already posted that such things were not unique to the Ottomans. What followed was a tirade of those who always feel insulted and attacked even if they aren't. The discussion progressed into the usual Cato -like Carthago delenda est, or, in our case I Am a Proud Turk and Love My Country. |
İf this what other people think,dont you think he also has the right to answer ?!
Quoting catwoman:
I am not sure why handsom made this post in the first place, but probably to shed some light on the origin of janissary's nickname. Quite strange why someone would choose this nickname, knowing the meaning of it, don't you think?
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Quoting Daydreamer:
What makes me wonder is why do they have to repeat it over and over again? I thought it was quite normal to love the country you were born and grew up in. Should we all start to do it in every post? If we don't state it over and over again, does it mean we don't? Or is it like a mantra - whenever you start doubting, you go Carthago delenda est and the world is simple again? I've heard that you can't trust those who repeatedly say 'I am trustworthy." People who believe in something do it, they don't need to talk about it every second or they risk being taken for liers... |
Well,i guess they repeat it over and over again,because they hear words like 'you shouldnt be proud of being Turk'' over and over again,and everytime for different reasons,and different ways!
Sometimes it is frankly said,and others its in the meaning of the speech .
But i agree with you,actually,they shouldnt care less,they know who they are,and what history they have,and in my opinion that is ENOUGH!
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 01:37 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta:
janissaries havent educate for killing ppl, they were educated for protecting country...
another point is that century was almost terrible for many nations except for ottomans...cutting head was popular for every people and trade of slave was also usual and ottoman did it as well and gave them priviliges and benefits...
In return for their loyalty and their fervour in war, Janissaries gained privileges and benefits. They received a cash salary, received booty during wartime and enjoyed a high living standard and respected social status.
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Actually,they had gained priviliges and benefits more than the people of the country,even they ruled some cities!
Had authorities over them,which was must for their time to end.
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