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31 Mar 2008 Mon 01:07 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting karpusqueen: Quoting alameda: Quoting CANLI: Quoting janissary: thanks for the information Im really affected by ur reseach. I know that I make ur mind busy much. Im sorry if ı took ur time)
yes. my grand grand father was non muslim. and maybe Im greek, polish or something. BUT Im proud of being turkish (citizen of Turkey). I love my country, my flag, my hometown, other ethnic parts of this land, fishes in the water, birds on a tree, flowers on high mountains, the people who love everything about my country...And Elhamdulillah Im muslim. I look forward future and I work for my country to develop better. |
İ like what you wrote too jan  |
Me too  |
And I liked it too - straight from the heart |
Knowing how nationalistic he is, I find it to be really naive to like what he said because "it came from his heart".. :-S  |
So I'm naive in your eyes and it makes you puke. Hope you feel better for it
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 01:09 am |
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Quoting karpusqueen: This is not a very nice thing to say. There is no rule that says that members should criticise Islam and Turkey as a prerequisite of their membership,is there? Of course not, although I think some members think that is all this site is for. This is dredging up the same old accusations catwoman and has nothing at all to do with the topic. It is more of a personal judgement(I'm trying very hard not to use the word attack) of another member.
There are many people who read these threads but never post . They read the threads to learn. The learning process is much more enriching if the diet is more varied i.e. not all one way traffic. There is always more than one side to a story and a good debate should highlight these. |
What is so wrong with saying that "it goes along with your general lack of criticism of Islam and Turkey"? It's a statement, not an attack. There's nothing personal or false about this statement.
No, sure there is no rule, although when we discuss issues like "honor killing" or nationalism, surely one would expect some criticism of it, which certain people never have... it's a very interesting thing! I sure can point this out, don't you think? 
Some people read the forum but don't post? Therefore, we are all supposed to follow your agenda..?
Quoting karpusqueen: Some people even put forward another side simply for the sake of the debate and not because it might be something they absolutely believe in . . . it's called playing Devil's Advocate, I'm sure you've heard of this. |
No.. not really. Can you send me a link with the meaning? 
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 01:09 am |
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Quoting karpusqueen: So I'm naive in your eyes and it makes you puke. Hope you feel better for it |
This is probably the root of the problem in conversations with you. I didn't say that YOU are naive and YOU make me puke, but YOUR STATEMENT... does this make it more clear?
It's not meant as anything personal. Sorry if it did.
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 01:19 am |
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Quoting catwoman:
Quoting karpusqueen: Some people even put forward another side simply for the sake of the debate and not because it might be something they absolutely believe in . . . it's called playing Devil's Advocate, I'm sure you've heard of this. |
No.. not really. Can you send me a link with the meaning? |
Sorry you are confusing me with someone else
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 01:23 am |
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Quoting karpusqueen: Sorry you are confusing me with someone else |
Ooops... sorry... hard not to confuse you two!  Just kidding by the way! 
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 01:25 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting karpusqueen: So I'm naive in your eyes and it makes you puke. Hope you feel better for it |
Quoting catwoman:
This is probably the root of the problem in conversations with you. |
???
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I didn't say that YOU are naive and YOU make me puke, but YOUR STATEMENT... |
Isn't that the same thing? I made the statement.
Thanks for the apology anyway
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 01:25 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting karpusqueen: Sorry you are confusing me with someone else |
Ooops... sorry... hard not to confuse you two! Just kidding by the way! |
Ha ha I was expecting such a reply
Alameda is the clever one
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 01:27 am |
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Quoting karpusqueen: Isn't that the same thing? I made the statement.
Thanks for the apology anyway |
Of course it's not the same thing! Just because you make a statement that I find strange, doesn't make YOU as a person strange! I may still like and respect you as a person.
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 03:33 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: Let's look at what was happening in the rest of the world at that time. Let's look at the different treatment of captives and the social potential offered them by the captor society. |
I find this to be a very disturbing comment. Here we have a conversation about something rather horrible and in your comment you are basically changing the topic of discussion and saying that as long as someone else is doing something worse, the first action is justified. This pretty much goes along your general lack of criticism of Islam and Turkey and never confronting the real issue. Very dreadful. |
Actually,i thought it was clear what alameda meant by her post !
That you cant condemn Türkiye and İslam by that and even to say,one shouldnt be proud of belong to such country !
Her post was implying,that it things were even worse than that in the past
She didnt say she approves or not...she only said,they were NOT the bad guys and others were angels!
Btw,you is generaly speaking
Beside,i dont see anything wrong if she defend Türkiye and İslam,even she provide sources for what she says
She is entitled to her opinion also,or those who criticize only have the freedom of speech!
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 03:38 am |
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Quoting catwoman: I am not sure why handsom made this post in the first place, but probably to shed some light on the origin of janissary's nickname. Quite strange why someone would choose this nickname, knowing the meaning of it, don't you think? |
Hmmm and just why do you think he did that? Are you inferring negative connotations of Janissary's name? That is a matter of perception. As you may have noticed, they were a formidable power. Considering the Janissaries impact on the world in being the first standing army since Roman times, the power and status they had, I do not find it any more strange than calling oneself catwoman, Deli-Kizen or thehandsom.
Quoting catwoman: ......(BTW, please, I am not that ignorant to need your links with the meaning of this word!!!). |
Perhaps you do not need linguistic links, but as this a language site; and there are many here who seek to improve their English, it would be helpful in learning words, wouldn't you agree?
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31 Mar 2008 Mon 03:48 am |
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Quoting catwoman:
I am not sure why handsom made this post in the first place, but probably to shed some light on the origin of janissary's nickname. Quite strange why someone would choose this nickname, knowing the meaning of it, don't you think?
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Actually janissaries were strong Soldiers,and had protected the countries from many dangerouse
Even rescue Muslims countries along with the people from mongols taking off
Beside,choosing the nickname i call it personal freedom.
But im not sure what to call the aim of the thread either!
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