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30.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 10:38 am

I agree with Canli and Cat - everybody should be wearing what they want. I know in Egypt I can wear tops and shorts, but what Islamic countries that don't live off tourism? Will I be free to wear my top and shorts there as well?

In Western countries you're free to wear your burkas and hijabs. We, Western women are not free to do it in yours so where's the justice?

As for what I mind about covering yourself up is when at the border control, covered women try to "protect" their right to stay covered. What about my right to feel safe in my country? How can I know who's trying to get in?

31.       libralady
5152 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:12 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting libralady:



Would we wear short shirts and strappy tops in Saudia Arabia? No we would not, when in Rome do as the Romans do!



You know LB,you really have brought up a good issue,
You ''many of West'' believe that Saudia Arabian,or Muslims,or people in the third world are not developed enough,not modern enough,dont have open minds...less freedom in thought behaviors...bla bla bla...ect

So would you tell me,what is your problem ''West problem''if i 'Muslim' be in your country,a developed,modern,free...bla bla...ect country
And i do as i want,not as Roman do ?!
İ mean i wear my hijab,and not dressed up like you do
What is your problem in such free,moder,open minded ....countries ?!



I think you are taking things a bit personally here. I don't really give a care what people wear but my point is they draw attention to themselves whilst walking around London city shopping areas, wearing the Burka, not the hijab, the full burka! I could say many things about Saudia Arabia but I wont. I will keep my feelings to my self about that!

32.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:25 pm

Quoting CANLI:

You ''many of West'' believe that Saudia Arabian,or Muslims,or people in the third world are not developed enough,not modern enough,dont have open minds...less freedom in thought behaviors...bla bla bla...ect



I wouldnt say such a thing at all, eventhough Im from the west. Fact is: you can wear a burqa or hijab in the UK or the Netherlands pretty safely. If I dress the way I do (which is very decent) in Iran, to give an example, we all know what would happen! In the luckiest case I get sent to prison or sent back home! There is a big difference in open mindedness on that topic!

33.       KemAle
105 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:27 pm

Quoting catwoman:


+100000000 (as long as it is a free choice, not a result of intimidation and threats)



i totally agree!.... bravooo!!

34.       libralady
5152 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:32 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting libralady:

You ''many of West'' believe that Saudia Arabian,or Muslims,or people in the third world are not developed enough,not modern enough,dont have open minds...less freedom in thought behaviors...bla bla bla...ect



I wouldnt say such a thing at all, eventhough Im from the west. Fact is: you can wear a burqa or hijab in the UK or the Netherlands pretty safely. If I dress the way I do (which is very decent) in Iran, to give an example, we all know what would happen! In the luckiest case I get sent to prison or sent back home! There is a big difference in open mindedness on that topic!



Well said! That was a point I was trying to make. But somehow Canli's quote has my name attached!

35.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:33 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

I agree with Canli and Cat - everybody should be wearing what they want. I know in Egypt I can wear tops and shorts, but what Islamic countries that don't live off tourism? Will I be free to wear my top and shorts there as well?

In Western countries you're free to wear your burkas and hijabs. We, Western women are not free to do it in yours so where's the justice?

As for what I mind about covering yourself up is when at the border control, covered women try to "protect" their right to stay covered. What about my right to feel safe in my country? How can I know who's trying to get in?



But you are free to wear as you want !
Maybe only in İran you are not...so do we

İ've been to an arab country years ago when i wasnt putting on hijab yet,and all the women 'except foreigner of course'in the city i was in were putting on burkas or hijab
They didnt force me to put on hijab or wear as they wear,they didnt talk about it either,they accepted me between them as i am,even i got many marriage proposals too hee hee
But yes,they were staring at me while walking in the streets,everyone knew im Egyptian even without saying
İ felt not comfortable about it,but STİLL i was allowed to wear as i want
That was years ago,so i believe now things have changed also,so yes,i guess you would be allowed to wear tops and shorts if you want

As for feeling safe and secure,of course at the border controls or any place that required showing your identity women who are covering theirselves should show their faces
İf there is a woman available in the place so she has no problem,if not,then also she should show her face to the one in charge
İslam said 'La darar we la derar' means 'you be not harmed but also you dont cause harm'
And allowing unknow person in the country or place that can cause harm

36.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:37 pm

Quoting libralady:

Well said! That was a point I was trying to make. But somehow Canli's quote has my name attached!



Thanks

Sorry I was too lazy to click back so I quoted from your post where you had quoted her too, and took away the wronge quote source, sorry! Modified now

37.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:41 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting libralady:

You ''many of West'' believe that Saudia Arabian,or Muslims,or people in the third world are not developed enough,not modern enough,dont have open minds...less freedom in thought behaviors...bla bla bla...ect



I wouldnt say such a thing at all, eventhough Im from the west. Fact is: you can wear a burqa or hijab in the UK or the Netherlands pretty safely. If I dress the way I do (which is very decent) in Iran, to give an example, we all know what would happen! In the luckiest case I get sent to prison or sent back home! There is a big difference in open mindedness on that topic!



Well,atually me too even im Muslim,cant wear my hijab in İran and would be sent to prison ,or home
İts not a matter of Western or Muslims here,its matter of system
İm Muslim,and in İran i would be treated same as you
They force religion there,and its not in İslam,they are not ALLAH messengers in Earth to judge me or anyone,only ALLAH have that right
But take any other country except İran,Saudi Arabia 'even i believe you can wear normal in Cidda or Riyad i guess'
So yes,you can wear what you want without being sent back to your home

38.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:42 pm

Quoting CANLI:



But you are free to wear as you want !
Maybe only in İran you are not...so do we



Actually this is not always true. It is not only Iran dear. Im glad I havent experienced it myself, but I know of someone from university who was charged to be killed with stones in Afganistan for wearing a t-shirt, and a cousin has been in prison in Saudi Arabia for 2 nights because she didnt walk with a man on the street.

And its a bad thing you were asked for marriage. It means they looked at you as an object without your hijab

39.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:46 pm

Quoting CANLI:


Well,atually me too even im Muslim,cant wear my hijab in İran and would be sent to prison ,or home
İts not a matter of Western or Muslims here,its matter of system
İm Muslim,and in İran i would be treated same as you
They force religion there,and its not in İslam,they are not ALLAH messengers in Earth to judge me or anyone,only ALLAH have that right
But take any other country except İran,Saudi Arabia 'even i believe you can wear normal in Cidda or Riyad i guess'
So yes,you can wear what you want without being sent back to your home



You are right about Iran. ıts an extreme situation.
I believe what you say about Allah. Also, I believe government has no right to interfere with the personal relationship that a God has with a human being. You are right about the system there.

But I think some eastern countries have dangerous regions for western people too But before you understand me wrong. I dont think that has to do much with religion. It has to do with powersick male minds. If it was not islam, they would find another excuse.

40.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:55 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting CANLI:



But you are free to wear as you want !
Maybe only in İran you are not...so do we



Actually this is not always true. It is not only Iran dear. Im glad I havent experienced it myself, but I know of someone from university who was charged to be killed with stones in Afganistan for wearing a t-shirt, and a cousin has been in prison in Saudi Arabia for 2 nights because she didnt walk with a man on the street.

And its a bad thing you were asked for marriage. It means they looked at you as an object without your hijab


You are still talking about countries which applying İslam in their own system and in a wrong way too
İran,Afganistain and Saudi Arabia
What about the rest of the countries ?!
They have high Muslim population rates,and you still can wear what you like there

And without getting into much personal,you can see it same as it is still happening in some places in Türkiye,i was friend of the girls and knew the mothers,so they wanted me to be one of the family
İ refused of course
But still i cant say they looked at me like an object...maybe they have liked me ?

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