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Burqa,offensive and laughable
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12 May 2008 Mon 09:51 pm |
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A friend of mine whose husband was in the USAF during the 1st Gulf war and they were posted there, she told me you would be amazed at what the women wear under the Burka.
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12 May 2008 Mon 10:39 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Good point Saskia. Even though women in the west wear less clothes than those in the east, we don't get so many rude remarks here as we do there. I never wear very provocative clothes but walking the streets in Turkey was sometimes terrible. I've heard things get harder in Egypt where you may get physically harassed if you don't look like a giant bag. |
And this is a great description of the fact that when the society has reasonable rules and everybody is responsible for their own behavior, men can adapt and behave more normal. Somehow, in the west, men don't rape women because they don't have a headscarf or because they wear a tank top, because they are taught that if they do, they will be held responsible for that. In the east, where men are taught that it's the woman's fault when he rapes her, their behavior is significantly worse, more rude, more aggressive, more disrespectful, more harassment... etc. The more patriarchy and oppression of women, the more power imbalance, the more women are oppressed and abused.
Everybody says that men are more rude in Turkey then they are in the west and that men in Egypt are 10x worse then they are in Turkey...
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13 May 2008 Tue 12:10 am |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting CANLI:
Giant bag ?!
So we look like giant bags ?!!!
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I'm sorry if that offended you, but, please, what do women wearing a bag may look like? A bag is my only association.
Still, it's your choice to do it and you don't need my permission for it. I was simply giving my opinion. But, according to you, what does it look like?
I'm just curious - why do women decide to wear it if it's not justified by religion.
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What does it look like,or why do they decide to wear its not my business,its theirs
Of course its not nice to make fun of someone just because you dont like or agree with what they look like,or wear
And that is not hijab,that called niqab or burka as you call it
Hijab looks like this
http://all-ideas.net/vb/showthread.php?t=527
Btw,niqap is not much appreciated in my country,but still we dont make fun of them,they are free to wear as they like
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13 May 2008 Tue 12:29 am |
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To be honest, the hijab picture you posted, is exactly the type of 'modest muslim woman' that I cant stand. You put the headscarf because God orders you to do so and he/she does so with a specific reason. Then, you cover your head, buy some nice tight long skirt that makes your hips come out nicely, you put on some make-up and you are ready to go!
(I am aware of the generalisation of this statement, but it is a fact there is a big statement in the way you put on your headscarf)
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13 May 2008 Tue 12:35 am |
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Quoting Saskia1970: (women were not really visible, if they were out on the streets they walked like they were in a hurry or they were dressed in burka's which isn't an invitation for a friendly chat) |
Either all that time,i was born and lived here i was living in a different country than Egypt,or you've been to another Egypt !
Women were NOT VİSİBLE and İF they were out !!!
Wooow we are talking about before 1920th here !
Females in the Pre-university education
16.3 million students in the year 2003/2004, of which females accounted for about 47.9 per cent.
Female enrollment in university and higher education
Total number of enrolled students in the university and higher education in 2003/04 reached around 2.02 million students, of whom females account for around 49 per cent which percentage has remained stable through 2004/05
http://www.sis.gov.eg/En/Women/Society/Education/100303000000000001.htm
Do you think that those females are more like invisible man attend schools and Uni,walk in the streets while they are invisible,then back to home and be visible again ?!
Beside those figuers only about females in education,so how about after graduation,where do you think they go,or what do they do ?!
Not working of course neither going out or else they will be visible !
As i said,either you've been to another Egypt,or im living in a different one !
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13 May 2008 Tue 12:46 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: To be honest, the hijab picture you posted, is exactly the type of 'modest muslim woman' that I cant stand. You put the headscarf because God orders you to do so and he/she does so with a specific reason. Then, you cover your head, buy some nice tight long skirt that makes your hips come out nicely, you put on some make-up and you are ready to go!
(I am aware of the generalisation of this statement, but it is a fact there is a big statement in the way you put on your headscarf)
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Well,if you want to put on make up or not its also personal choice,you should cover your hips,but if you dont its personal choice also...something between you and ALLAH
ALLAH ordered us to put on hijab for some reason,we should cover our bodies and cover our hair
That is the rule,and its fixed,no change
But its different how you apply it,İslam and Quran is for all times,in the past women didnt go out for work 'they didnt have too'
So they could wear long and wide dresses,and they did
But today,women go to Uni,work,do shoppings,its more safe,and more close to the meaning of the order 'in my opinion' not to wear wide dresses ,not practical unless in some situations
But again as i said,its personal opinion or choice,some women do wear wide dresses still
As you see,i cant post all the ways or types girls and women wear hijab
İts different according to the person itself
This picture as you saw from the link 'if you opened it ' is from a show so that girl is a model,there are others that not tight,and covering hips,i liked those colors best
What you buy or what you wear is your own choice
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13 May 2008 Tue 01:04 am |
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Quoting thehandsom:
I can see no credit to sheria itself in your post.
If women are able to wear mini skirts in Egypt, it is because, sheria is not applied.
If it was, you very well know, they would not be able to.
Am I right?
And also it does not change the fact that they are seen as sinful, blasphemist and ultimately people who are betraying Quran.
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İ dont know what do you mean by no credit to sheria !
First i wasnt talking about Sharia,i was discussing that its our right to wear what we like without being joke materials or being judged!
Second,according to Sharia,women SHOULD wear hijab...but its not anyone's business also if she didnt
Or there are some verses in Quran that ordered people to kill or put in jail women who are not wearing hijab that im not aware of ?!
So no,you are not right,if sharia is applied RİGHT they still would be able to.
And also i dont think they are seen as sinful...ect because...well,life has many problems,so actually what do i care what other women wear or if they are sinful or not ?
İts their business not mine
My cousin is not wearing hijab and i dont think she is sinful
Yes,she didnt obay ALLAH in putting on Hijab,but she is obaying HİM in other things,she maybe better infront of ALLAH than one who is putting on hijab and tell lies,steal ...ect
We cant judge people,only ALLAH can,HE know what we dont know,and HE read hearts...you cant,and i cant
So how can i or you judge ?!
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13 May 2008 Tue 01:10 am |
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Quoting CANLI: ALLAH ordered us to put on hijab for some reason,we should cover our bodies and cover our hair
That is the rule,and its fixed,no change |
I thought that burka is not ordered by Islam... :-S
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13 May 2008 Tue 01:15 am |
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Hijab is the order not burka
Burka is when you cover your face also,yes ?
We call it niqab
İts not ordered in quran
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13 May 2008 Tue 03:05 am |
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Quoting Daydreamer:
I'm just curious - why do women decide to wear it if it's not justified by religion.
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Well,as my understanding,it goes long backward
Arab women used to wear burka,something to cover up their noses and mouths specially while travelling for they were in the desert ,so it was very much suitable for their situation,even men used to do same.
İn İslam women weren't ordered to cover their faces,only prophet Mohamed SAV wives did for a reason too
İslam were a new religion with many enemies,so out of safety,they put it on so people dont know who they are,for their own protection
There was some incident happened 'i dont remember it' so they put it on after.
Women today,who put it on 'whom i asked' said,they try to resemble the prophet wives
Other said,that time 'Zaman' is not good now,so they protect themselves this way!
Wish this helps,that is what i know about it,maybe there are other reasons someone else can explain to you.
Anyway,everyone to his/her reasons!
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13 May 2008 Tue 04:56 am |
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Quoting CANLI:
ALLAH ordered us to put on hijab for some reason, we should cover our bodies and cover our hair
That is the rule,and its fixed,no change
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And I think this is where the issue becomes something more than “personal choiceâ€.
Quoting CANLI:
İslam were a new religion with many enemies,so out of safety,they put it on so people dont know who they are,for their own protection
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So only the women have enemies and need to protect themselves by covering their hair and bodies?
I apologize if I am missing something here canli, but it seems that you keep contradicting yourself. In one post you say it’s a personal choice but in the next you say that Allah ordered it and it is fixed and that is the rule. How can it be both?
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