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70.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 04:56 am

Quoting CANLI:


ALLAH ordered us to put on hijab for some reason, we should cover our bodies and cover our hair
That is the rule,and its fixed,no change


And I think this is where the issue becomes something more than “personal choice”.

Quoting CANLI:


İslam were a new religion with many enemies,so out of safety,they put it on so people dont know who they are,for their own protection


So only the women have enemies and need to protect themselves by covering their hair and bodies?


I apologize if I am missing something here canli, but it seems that you keep contradicting yourself. In one post you say it’s a personal choice but in the next you say that Allah ordered it and it is fixed and that is the rule. How can it be both?

71.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 11:32 am

Thanks for the historical and social context Canli. I could have guessed the desert reason but I've never thought of Mohammed's wives. The hijab you posted was nice. I remember seeing such colourful scarves in Turkey as well. It looks nothing like burkas.

Yeah, I find burka funny. As funny and ridiculous as wearing shorts so short that your buttocks are showing, 15 cm high heels and a top barely covering your nipples. these are two extremes - one the bag type, the other the hooker type. Of course the fact that I find it amusing doesn't mean so should everybody. If some people wear burka because they like it, it's their choice. The same in the other case.

I've heard about women wearing sexy underwear under burka, my dad's friend were on a mission in Libya. I also know what was the only way soldiers could have sex with the women there lol A friend of mine who does a lot of travelling, told me how it amazed him that women who cover their whole face but the eyes, would spend hours doing make-up. He laughed that women are vain regardless of where they live

I can't imagine wearing burka, but I wouldn't be seen showing everything in the street. I don't have a problem undressing on a beach but I agree with Teas that dress code is necessary. You can't go around wearing a bikini...

72.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 11:52 am

I dont know the history of burqa specifically but women putting veil on their head is not islamic historically.
I think it is dated back to Assyrians originally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil
And according to historians, it was used to distinguish the women, who were doing the prostitution (and apparently, they were considered doing a good a community service at the time), then other lower women who were not providing the service.
I think it was the case 5000 years ago.
And than everybody agrees that veiling was the tradition came to islam from jews..
So it is not a pure islamic thing basically..

73.       -çilek-
posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 01:56 pm

I want to say smthng about equality of man and woman.
We say that in East woman r nt equal to a man but how it can be at all everywhere?? Look! Just imagine common London street and two people (man and woman) walking down it. Man is wearing shoes, shorts and nothing more on the top. Near by him woman- wearing the same.. on top - nothing more.. So how u think?? do people around look to them equally?? so , i think no. All would judge woman that she isnt properly dressed. How can we talk about equality of two different genders? they ll never be equal cos they have different anatomy, wich dictates how to dress. In islam modesty is much more higher. So dressing of women r too so much modest.

74.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 03:03 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting CANLI:


ALLAH ordered us to put on hijab for some reason, we should cover our bodies and cover our hair
That is the rule,and its fixed,no change


And I think this is where the issue becomes something more than “personal choice”.

Quoting CANLI:


İslam were a new religion with many enemies,so out of safety,they put it on so people dont know who they are,for their own protection


So only the women have enemies and need to protect themselves by covering their hair and bodies?


I apologize if I am missing something here canli, but it seems that you keep contradicting yourself. In one post you say it’s a personal choice but in the next you say that Allah ordered it and it is fixed and that is the rule. How can it be both?



Well gg,yes you've missed lots of things actually
Seems that you didnt read all the posts above.

First,there is no contradiction there what so ever in what i've said
Hijab is order from ALLAH and that is not a personal choice,how you dress up according to this order is a personal choice
Something you are responsible about infront of ALLAH
Here we are agian

Quoting CANLI:



Well,if you want to put on make up or not its also personal choice,you should cover your hips,but if you dont its personal choice also...something between you and ALLAH

ALLAH ordered us to put on hijab for some reason,we should cover our bodies and cover our hair
That is the rule,and its fixed,no change
But its different how you apply it,İslam and Quran is for all times,in the past women didnt go out for work 'they didnt have too'
So they could wear long and wide dresses,and they did
But today,women go to Uni,work,do shoppings,its more safe,and more close to the meaning of the order 'in my opinion' not to wear wide dresses ,not practical unless in some situations
But again as i said,its personal opinion or choice,some women do wear wide dresses still



Second,i wasnt discussing hijab here when i was talking about enemies,hijab is an order from ALLAH in İslam and im not discussing that or reasons for it,i was refering to Niqab and the story of it in İslam and how it started

Sure not only women's have enemies and need to protect themselves..
They were not ANY women they were the wive's of Mohamed SAV.
İ will make it simple to you
There are lots of security around your first lady but not around all the women in USA,yes ?!
İt same,a way of protection to them ,so no one track them and attack them

So if you reread all the posts again,you will see i wasnt KEEP contradicting myself in anything at all.

75.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 03:08 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

I dont know the history of burqa specifically but women putting veil on their head is not islamic historically.



That is something i agree with you about it,women were vieled also before İslam in different shapes
Some cover all the hair,some cover part of it,but all were vieled
Here in the past all the women were vieled,no matter Muslims or Christians 'and there werent Nuns!',now you can still find it same in the country Christian women are also vieled,you cant know Muslim from Christian there

76.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 03:29 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting thehandsom:

I dont know the history of burqa specifically but women putting veil on their head is not islamic historically.



That is something i agree with you about it,women were vieled also before İslam in different shapes
Some cover all the hair,some cover part of it,but all were vieled
Here in the past all the women were vieled,no matter Muslims or Christians 'and there werent Nuns!',now you can still find it same in the country Christian women are also vieled,you cant know Muslim from Christian there


It is quite peculiar though..
5000 years ago women were covering themselves without any proper religion.
Then, religions come and GOD tells them to do the same thing!!

77.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 03:32 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Thanks for the historical and social context Canli. I could have guessed the desert reason but I've never thought of Mohammed's wives. The hijab you posted was nice. I remember seeing such colourful scarves in Turkey as well. It looks nothing like burkas.

Yeah, I find burka funny. As funny and ridiculous as wearing shorts so short that your buttocks are showing, 15 cm high heels and a top barely covering your nipples. these are two extremes - one the bag type, the other the hooker type. Of course the fact that I find it amusing doesn't mean so should everybody. If some people wear burka because they like it, it's their choice. The same in the other case.

I've heard about women wearing sexy underwear under burka, my dad's friend were on a mission in Libya. I also know what was the only way soldiers could have sex with the women there lol A friend of mine who does a lot of travelling, told me how it amazed him that women who cover their whole face but the eyes, would spend hours doing make-up. He laughed that women are vain regardless of where they live

I can't imagine wearing burka, but I wouldn't be seen showing everything in the street. I don't have a problem undressing on a beach but I agree with Teas that dress code is necessary. You can't go around wearing a bikini...


Actually,i dont like niqab 'burka' too,and i see no reason for it,its as you said extreme
İt make things harder for women to walk around,even do her duties too
Life is moving fast,and she cant move along wearing it
But im aginist making fun of them or make them joke materials,its their choice and we must respect it
İ've known some of them and they were really fun, nice girls and women,and deserve respect

And yes,from what i know ,its not only in libya,also in the Gulf,Saudi arabia,and İran
Women put on very modern clothes under burka,sometimes one you cant wear it out yourself
They think,not because they wear burka they shouldnt take care of their looks even if it was only for themselves,also in those countries,women get together
İ mean when they are visiting each other,the men stay together and women sit together,so they took off their Burka
İts cycle all related to each other,and way of living too i guess
But yes,women are women no matter how or where they live

İ agree there is code for dressing also,and its necessary.
You shouldnt wear jeans where you should wear classic closes
But that doesnt include if i put hijab or not because its not open for discussion here
İts part of our believes
Same like Nuns,you cant,and actually you dont ask Nun to take off her viel because its not appropriate for the place she is walking or being in .
Even hijab or covering hair is not order in Christianity,but its the nuns choice..
But still you respect that !
At same time it is order in our religion,and when we follow you question it ?!
Ps:you is generally speaking

78.       magnadea
0 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 03:41 pm

I don't find burka's laughable...they are VERY scary!!!!

I work in a tourist area, and amid all the brightly coloured clothes, it can be very scary to see someone walking towards you dressed as Darth Vader!!!

It is also very hard to warm to someone when you can't see their face. Sinister....

79.       magnadea
0 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 04:01 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Same like Nuns,you cant,and actually you dont ask Nun to take off her viel because its not appropriate for the place she is walking or being in .
Even hijab or covering hair is not order in Christianity,but its the nuns choice..
But still you respect that !
At same time it is order in our religion,and when we follow you question it ?!
Ps:you is generally speaking



This is kind of different though . Nuns CHOOSE to "marry Christ" and it is part of their order to dress this way (the same as Buddist monks shave their heads). They do not lead a normal life, or marry or have children, but devote their lifes to their faith. It is not the everyday teachings of either religion and does not apply to all christians or buddists

80.       baklava
16 posts
 14 May 2008 Wed 11:32 pm

DUBAI (AlArabiya.net)

A 50-year-old Saudi woman asked for divorce after her husband lifted her face veil while she was sleeping, local press reported.

For 30 years, the wife said she never showed her face to her husband in conformity with the tradition of her native village near the south western Saudi city of Khamis Mushayt.

'After all these years, he tries to commit such a big mistake,' the wife told Saudi newspaper Al-Riyadh, after she left the house in total disbelief.

She said the husband apologized and promised never to do it again.

This is not the first case of husbands who have not seen their wives' faces in decades.

In the past Al Arabiya has reported the case of Ali al-Qahtani, whose wife had been wearing the face veil for the entire ten years of their marrage. When he tried to take it off, she threatened to leave and only decided to stay after he swore never to try again.

Hassan Al-Atibi threatened to marry another woman if his wife didn't show him her face. The woman nominated one of her friends who doesn't observe this tradition as a possible new wife for him, saying this would be better than her showing her face.

And neither the husband or children of Om Rabea al-Gahdaray, 70, have ever seen her face. Al-Gahdaray says it is a family tradition, also followed by mother and sisters, which her husband accepted and never tried to change.

When asked how she could have kids without her husband ever seeing her face, she replied: 'Marriage is about love, not faces.'

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