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40.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:55 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting CANLI:



But you are free to wear as you want !
Maybe only in İran you are not...so do we



Actually this is not always true. It is not only Iran dear. Im glad I havent experienced it myself, but I know of someone from university who was charged to be killed with stones in Afganistan for wearing a t-shirt, and a cousin has been in prison in Saudi Arabia for 2 nights because she didnt walk with a man on the street.

And its a bad thing you were asked for marriage. It means they looked at you as an object without your hijab


You are still talking about countries which applying İslam in their own system and in a wrong way too
İran,Afganistain and Saudi Arabia
What about the rest of the countries ?!
They have high Muslim population rates,and you still can wear what you like there

And without getting into much personal,you can see it same as it is still happening in some places in Türkiye,i was friend of the girls and knew the mothers,so they wanted me to be one of the family
İ refused of course
But still i cant say they looked at me like an object...maybe they have liked me ?

41.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:59 pm

Quoting CANLI:

You are still talking about countries which applying İslam in their own system and in a wrong way too
İran,Afganistain and Saudi Arabia
What about the rest of the countries ?!
They have high Muslim population rates,and you still can wear what you like there

And without getting into much personal,you can see it same as it is still happening in some places in Türkiye,i was friend of the girls and knew the mothers,so they wanted me to be one of the family
İ refused of course
But still i cant say they looked at me like an object...maybe they have liked me ?



You are right but it is still 3 countries And there is none in the west that it is dangerous for you to walk around, even if they are offficially religious like Italy

You are right about some parts of turkey unfortunately.

42.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 10:10 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:



You are right but it is still 3 countries And there is none in the west that it is dangerous for you to walk around, even if they are offficially religious like Italy


Actually you cant be sure of that,specially after 11/9 things became horrible for Muslims in some countries
Even women who were putting on hijab had taken it off and men with beard,had it shaved to cover that they are Muslims when walking in the streets
Closing their doors tight afraid if they will get attacked by people who knew they are Muslims
So actually no,it can be VERY dangerouse too just walking around

43.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 10:20 pm

Quoting CANLI:

So actually no,it can be VERY dangerouse too just walking around



You may be right. But if they make a lawcase of it, they will win because there is no legal system or jury who will back you up. the other way, you will loose because the jury and the law are against you

I dont think its equally dangerous, but you are right that many muslims feel uncomfortable about it. A friend of mine stopped wearing her baş örtüsü after 9/11 because everybody kept asking her if she supported them.

44.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 10:49 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:



You may be right. But if they make a lawcase of it, they will win because there is no legal system or jury who will back you up. the other way, you will loose because the jury and the law are against you


That is the point,i was trying to point it out
İf you made a lawcase about it here you will win too,because legal system is backing you up
You are FREE to wear what you want,in the name of law also !
Of course not in İran ,Saudi Arabis,and Afghanistan.

45.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 11:12 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting Deli_kizin:



You may be right. But if they make a lawcase of it, they will win because there is no legal system or jury who will back you up. the other way, you will loose because the jury and the law are against you


That is the point,i was trying to point it out
İf you made a lawcase about it here you will win too,because legal system is backing you up
You are FREE to wear what you want,in the name of law also !
Of course not in İran ,Saudi Arabis,and Afghanistan.


Well
Deli..I am sorry but you keep coming with these three countries where sheria is imposed.
So what is sheria really?
Sheria is islam!!!!

Your country and my country DO NOT HAVE SHERIA. (thanks god)

If it was could you tell me what legal system is that who will back you up in such a case?

And do not forget 'by not living with sheria' is breaking the rules of islam.

Did we not talk about these things before? and did we not conclude that islam/sheria needs serious reformation?

46.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 11:17 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Well
Deli..I am sorry but you keep coming with these three countries where sheria is imposed.
So what is sheria really?
Sheria is islam!!!!

Your country and my country DO NOT HAVE SHERIA. (thanks god)

If it was could you tell me what legal system is that who will back you up in such a case?

And do not forget 'by not living with sheria' is breaking the rules of islam.

Did we not talk about these things before? and did we not conclude that islam/sheria needs serious reformation?



How is this any different than what I was saying?

47.       Saskia1970
70 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 08:48 am

I once was in Egypt wearing loose, long-sleeved T-shirts and almost baggy trousers, so no fitform jeans that made my body clear to see. But in just 1 week I got 8 times remarks like 'nice boobs, nice bum, want to sleep with me'. And twice a guy was trying to grab me at my breasts - they didn't succeed, I gave them a punch with my elbow. So what about 'not beeing seen as an object'? What about 'wearing whatever you want'?

48.       CANLI
5084 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 11:37 am

Quoting thehandsom:



And you know that in Sharia its allowed to put women who not wearing Hijab or Burka into prisons ?
Or force women to wear Hijab ?
İs it in Sharia ?!
İ think you need to know about sharia more
But as you said we have talked about this before,and usless to talk about it again
We can just add the link to that thread .

49.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 11:41 am

Good point Saskia. Even though women in the west wear less clothes than those in the east, we don't get so many rude remarks here as we do there. I never wear very provocative clothes but walking the streets in Turkey was sometimes terrible. I've heard things get harder in Egypt where you may get physically harassed if you don't look like a giant bag.

Anyway, talking about tolerance. You can't beat the fact that even declared Catholic countries like Vatican won't prohibit you from wearing a burka. Declared Muslim countries (and I'm not dividing them into the ones having the right or wrong interpretation of Quran as I'm sure if you asked an Iraqi or an Afghan who's right, he'd tell you he was) would not. That's why I find it strange to hear that the west is discriminating Muslims by not permitting women to wear burka. No country bans it. Sure, you may get weird looks or comments but it is because of the terrorists who played the Islam card. I'm sure if there was a series of attacks by bleach blondes in Muslim countries, all blondes would be treated with suspicion.

50.       CANLI
5084 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 11:44 am

Quoting Saskia1970:

I once was in Egypt wearing loose, long-sleeved T-shirts and almost baggy trousers, so no fitform jeans that made my body clear to see. But in just 1 week I got 8 times remarks like 'nice boobs, nice bum, want to sleep with me'. And twice a guy was trying to grab me at my breasts - they didn't succeed, I gave them a punch with my elbow. So what about 'not beeing seen as an object'? What about 'wearing whatever you want'?



My dear,you once been to Egypt,but we are ALREADY live in Egypt,and women and girls walking around wearing short shirts and strappy tops ,mini skirts,and what ever they want without any problem
Girls and women in my family not wearing Hijab and also they have no problem
And there are also women who wear hijab and burka,and have no problem
İm sry for the experience you had,but im sure there also are many women are been harassed in Western countries even with hijab not just with short shirts and strappy tops ,mini skirts !

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