whats the radical islam´s btw? And another question where is this influence for about 64 years? Have they just noticed that Hitler influenced from so-called radical islam? I think they researched and found the relation after 2001, voila radical muslim(influenced) Hitler killed all the jews. Simply absurd. There is no radical islam, islam is islam, because according to Islam that terrorists not seen to be muslim, they just claimed to be.

i think its better you educate yourself...

Aptal , havent you still called racist/nationalist or whatever yet? so, kindly dont quote me and stay away from me

okay... radical muslims... i have been corrected about this already in case you weren´t reading other posts... (apparently your reading my posts only? seeing most of your posts are taken from my previous posts.... and even asking me to think deeply like YOU.  i´m starting to think you have a thing for me... lol.. )

and yes... i am educating myself, i´m young and still have a lot to learn... i have also promised everyone here to give further study on the issue, (comments and corrections are accepted)  and post another thread about radical muslims...

and again armegon.... pls move on..... we already did.... if you want to stay in this thread, and post more comments against other people´s comments here, you´re welcome.  But i think majority of us who have made posts here have already let go of the issue... don´t you think it´s time you should too? But if you prefer to have the last word on this thread, feel free to do so....

i´m outta this thread... adios...

Dont be subdued about saying ´radical islam´.

When some people ie Taliban read Kuran and follows exactly what it says (hand choppings etc), what they practice  can be generically refered as ´radical islam´..

The other version  is called as ´soft one´ in which they ommit some parts.

Well It is nice to see TC back to normal, insults being traded left right and centre!  Surely there must be a special award for the best insults ?? 

Not quite sure who I would award it too, the competition is quite strong, perhaps we should have a TC vote for the best insulter  

First of lying is a sin in every religion I think.

Secondly, lying with an idea in the mind that ´ I am protecting my contry´s reputation´ is a betrayal for your own country..Because those lies are one of the reasons ´why we are advancing so slowly in the way of democracy and form of life´.

If I go to Turkey and say that I am converted to Christianity I will be refused by some of my friends (because most them are like me). I will be refused by my entire relatives.. (I dont think my own family will refuse me)

If anybody says the other way, it is a lie..

You will be treated as if you  betrayed your country (despite the fact that we are secular) You will be called ´gavur, dinsiz´ etc. If you are a female you might  be treated as a sex object only. They will keep talking about that they converted you with money etc.

Our country is the country sometimes where people are beaten up because they eat or drink during ramadan. Most of them will argue with you that you are insulting their religion because you are not fasting and declaring it openly by eating. You only can imagine what happens if you say you are a converted christian.

Portraying it the other way is comical.

Here is a list for you covering last several years about the incidents happened to Christians in Turkey.

http://cumhuriyetforum.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10262

I am not going to translate it but bombings of churches/threatening people and some killings (I think they were behaded) are all in that list..

So it is better if we dont lie to ourselves..

It is always better if we live with less lies..

btw..I am not talking about people coming to Turkey as christians and living there as they are..I am talking about the converts here..

Dont be subdued about saying ´radical islam´.

When some people ie Taliban read Kuran and follows exactly what it says (hand choppings etc), what they practice  can be generically refered as ´radical islam´..

The other version  is called as ´soft one´ in which they ommit some parts.

 It was meant as a "tongue in cheek" observation ..................

 It was meant as a "tongue in cheek" observation ..................

im thinking of retiring from the forums