Abraham´s wives and concubine http://www.ccg.org/_domain/abrahams-legacy.org/family-tree.html

But it´s only a story - so who really knows?

 its indeed a story, but written down by some people long time ago and was copied for many times and preserved, it can be trusted since bible is the same since thousands years, can be proved by qumran dead sea scrolls.

and its definetly isaak the legitamte son of abraham not ishmael. hagar was never married to abraham, she was departed to a wilderness to become a separate nation.

If only I had paid more attention in my Religious Education classes instead of looking out of the window 

 I was thinking the same thing....and I went to Catholic school!!

 There is no dispute that Ismael was the first born son of Abraham. As to weather Hagar was a wife or concubine.....

"And Sarai Abram´s wife took Hagar the Egyptian, her handmaid, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to Abram her husband to be his wife. " 

The Hebrew partiarchs were not monogamous. Soloman was said to have had over 500 wives and 300 concubines.

If one considers Hagar as a wife or concubine actually is not relevant as to the status of the legitimacy of Ismael. Children of concubines were considered legitimate.

Monogamy was a Roman custom that was brought into Christianity. Look it up. I´m not defending these practices, but these are the historic facts of the matter.

In a sense, the rivaly between the decendants of Isaac (Jews) and Ismael (Muslims) could be said to have begun with the rivaly between these two women. After Hagar had a son, Sara was very jealous. When she finally had a son, she cast Hagar and her son out into the desert.

But, under any interpretation of events, Ismael was still the first legitimate son of Abraham.

Ben de!!    I had never heard of Hagar (or if I did I certainly didn´t remember) til I looked on the net!

 Yes, Christians and Jews tend to over look Hagar, and most do not realize Isamel´s place in the Abrahamic lineage. Muslims do not.

 That explains why you said,Ýsmael and Ýssac case is same like Ýsa and Juses,just different in translation .

you were talking about 1 son where i was talking about 2,and i was confused how come do you say when we refer to Ýsmael in Ýslam is same as you refer to Ýssac in Christianity where they are 2 different persons!

Makes sense now.

 What we know about Hagar RA that she was an Egyptian princess who were captured by the king of Egypt ´not Pharaoh´ on that time,took her as a slave and he wanted to add her as his mistresses but she refused being one,so he gave her as a present to Sara SA which he thought was Ýbrahim´s sister.

That story´s references were added together from both religious books and history,our Egyptian history.

On that time Egypt was invaded by Hyksos and under their authority.

Thats why in Qur´an when telling this story ALLAH dont refer to the king by the name Pharaoh which is the old Egyptian title for the king,but HE just said ´the king´ because he was one of the invaders not a Pharaoh ´who must be Egyptian´.

Although when refering to Musa ´Moses´ HZ HE said ´The Pharaoh´ and not ´The king´ because on that time Egypt was ruled by Pharaohs ´Egyptians´ and not others.

Sry for the history lesson now,just thought to share the information,also not many Muslims know it,unless they read or know the Egyptian history too to get the difference.

 Me too!  Well, not "if only" as I can´t say that learning this would have been of any benefit in my life!

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