Thakyou so much,
I will try again, but later. I am going to have a rakı now to straighten my head out, just one thing, apart from the conditional sense, is there ever a time when only 'ise' could be used and not ama or a comma or the like?
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yuk aslan sutu evil stuff gets you very very drunk though serefe etty

'şerefe' Kadir, it could just be working
I think I am begining to understand. My translation of the conditional is too narrow. The conditional is not just 'if'
'ne istersen al' 'take what you want'
I could say 'if you want it take it', but that would seem rude in English.

155 milyon çocuk kilolu, 45 milyonu ise obez ... (compare)
I don't understand what use the 'ise' has here.
I read it as '155 million childeren are overweight and 43 million are obese.
Or does it mean 'from the 155 milion fat ones 45 million are right blubbers'!!

OK, lets summarize our findings so far. I have decided to seperaete its use as conjugateion from comparision.

ise has two main useages:
1. condition : translated mainly as "if".

2. comparision: translated mainly as "but".

3. conjugation: Translated mainly as "on the other hand" or "while".

You are correct on thinking that in most comparision sentences with ise, somewhere in that sentence we would see "ama" or a comma. But it is possble to end a sentence and then start a new sentence in some cases:

Biz ciddi işler yapıyoruz. Sizin yaptığınız ise saçmalık.
We do serious things. On the other hand what you do is nonesense.
We do serious things while you do nonesense.

Biz ciddi işler yapıyoruz. Sizin yaptığınız ise saçmalık

So am I correct in thinking this sentence could be written,
Biz ciddi işler yapiyorus, ama sizin yaptıgınzı saçmalık

Sorry deli I was writing whilst you posted şerefe!