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Turkish students hold a minute of silence for Palestinian childeren
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100.       geniuda
1070 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:21 pm

 

Quoting Merih

According to an int. TV channel, the require Aid is around 540 trucks everyday, but currently only 50 is allowed.  So no matter what he says, there is proof showing otherwise.

 

I was watching the Mexican news, the correspondent showed a short interview he did to a truck driver who was taking the humanitarian aid into Gaza. The driver said that saddly but Hamas are taking possesion of the goods and selling them to their people . The correspondent said that unfortunately they (reporters) dont have access to Gaza so they could not confirm this.

How sad It is if this is actually true

101.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:22 pm

Genia, pls. send me the link

102.       Merih
933 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:26 pm

 

Quoting geniuda

I was watching the Mexican news, the correspondent showed a short interview he did to a truck driver who was taking the humanitarian aid into Gaza. The driver said that saddly but Hamas are taking possesion of the goods and selling them to their people . The correspondent said that unfortunately they (reporters) dont have access to Gaza so they could not confirm this.

How sad It is if this is actually true

 

 well, I am watching the news from inside Gaza, and i can hear the Aid agencies from inside complaining about Israel not allowing, and even the help they bring in, they can´t distribute because the civilians fear to leave their shelters / homes and the Aid officers are not secure......

 

UNRWA is crying for days... their driver was shot by Israel... do you think what you see on the Mexican TV could be true?  I saw that days ago...

 

 

103.       geniuda
1070 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:30 pm

 

Quoting Roswitha

Genia, pls. send me the link

 

 Unfortunately, this was in last night´s TV news Ros ...

104.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:32 pm

105.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:43 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 Do you think you are the only one who want his kid to grow up healthy ,feel no hate for anyone ?!

You dont want to understand handsom...!

You simply do NOT!

Do you think we gather our children here,and let them watch the news,watching the childrent bleeding ,men and women with many parts missing,and all crying..etc

Do you really think we wish or want to our kids to see those kind of sights ?!

We dont want it for our children...we also dont want it for ourselves

But it is FORCED on us,and on our children too

Because we are living here,in this area,not in a far place and have the luxry of choice!

 

Ok,try to get it ....

Children study history in schools ´unless you have something against that too! ´

Ýn the modern history ´ours´ the war of 1948 and what follow till 1973,then the peace treat

So things goes like that...israel was stablished in 1948,took land,we had fights,wars,we got our land back at 1973,peace treat.

That is what children knows

Now parents watch news at home,sometimes children catch somethings...they ask,who is been killed...by whom ?!

Even when we try to prevent them,when we try to control it at homes,they get the news from outside,from schools from older students,from the student´s wall magazine 

Ýts something we are living it,day and night

Children are living in this world ,part of it not at some other place,you cant really imagine that they wouldnt know/see something like this.

 

As for other points,i dont know what secular got to do with that ?!

Ýs it a religious thing ?Religious war or something ?!

Even in Palestine,Palestinians nevr claimed it

So what this got to do if Türkiye is secular or not ?!

 

And i dont see what is the problem if there is Jewish student among the student

Ý dont get it,should we support those kind of actions and not condemning them because there is jewish there

Or should we claim it didnt happen

Or maybe claim israel not to blame

Or what ?

Ý assume jewish student would also support no killing for the other children,why do you suppose he/she would think otherwise ?

Ýn that case,if he support killing for others,it would be a good chance that he/she hear different thing!

Sometimes talking to you is like talking to a wall, canli..

I am not talking here about the politics..

I am talking about ´a forced activity´ here.

I am talking about ´using childeren´ here..

I am talking about traumatizing childeren here..

I am talking about how wrong showing kids, age of 6-7-8., dead childeren´s picture and obviously telling them they were killed by Israelies. (Those kids wont be able to understand the difference between the jews and israeli goverment. Basically you can not explain that they should not blame jews for this incident but the israeli goverment. If you are blaming jews it will be WRONG. It will be as wrong as femme blaming entire arabs)

 

You are telling bed time stories up there..

I never said ´Israel is right´. Why are you filling up the tc database with the things we all agree and know?

 

You are saying you try to control, you try to prevent.

I dont think you do..

See, i am critisizing that childeren should be shown those graphic images and forced for that action, you are coming back and saying that they should be..phew

 

You are saying that you dont get why an existance of a jewish student in a class should stop condemning this collective activity..

I will tell you one thing..Imagine your own kids, they are at school, and a jewish boy coming and saying what ´hadar´ said earlier..

He says that ´israel has to protect herself´.. 

Can you imagine what happens to that boy?


 

106.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:44 pm

 

Quoting geniuda

 

 Just small addition to Merih´s post

Hamas is the government,they announce for some phone numbers on their Aqsa channel ´thats where i saw them´ so people can call and report if there are some people why reselling those goods for extra money .

So if by any mean Hamas taking the goods,i believe its their duty as a government to do so

As Merih said,people dont go out afraid of being killed,and prefering to be killed in their own homes

many of them said that...´there is no safe place in Gaza,so if we meant to die,then we prefer to die in our homes,israel wont kick us of our homes again ! ´

107.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:15 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 You are saying you try to control, you try to prevent.

I dont think you do..

See, i am critisizing that childeren should be shown those graphic images and forced for that action, you are coming back and saying that they should be..phew

 

You are saying that you dont get why an existance of a jewish student in a class should stop condemning this collective activity..

I will tell you one thing..Imagine your own kids, they are at school, and a jewish boy coming and saying what ´hadar´ said earlier..

He says that ´israel has to protect herself´.. 

Can you imagine what happens to that boy?


 

 First,handsom i do NOT accept that statment of yours!

Ýf i say i do something...then i do,if i say i dont,then i dont

Ý see no reason what so ever to say something that i dont do !

 

So YES,we try not to let our children see those sights,believe it or not,you are not the only one who care about his children !

As for our government,it also perefer it that way too !

 

Second,actually childrent at 6,7,8 here understand the difference between jewish and israel

They also should know it,and we also had to explain it!

You get questions like why israel took our land,and god didnt say to take something doesnt belong to you

Ýsnt Judaism from ALLAH like Ýslam ?

So actually we HAD to explain the difference.

Jewish is how people choose to worship god ´ we have christians here,muslims and christians children go to same school so we choose to say this,we dont say those right or wrong to kids of course some may do ´,israel is the one who took over Palestine.

Third...i dont say they should !

Ý say,they are FORCED by what is happening around them.

Thats what you dont understand till now.

As i said handsom,living in our area is different than living out

You there may have that luxry,where neither us nor our children have!

 

Ýts Palestine´s right to let our children know about it

Ý dont say to tell horrible things,on wide range just the history ,so it wont be lost in the middle of...´´Palestines attacking israel thing and israel has the right to defend itself ! ´´

You want us not to teach our kids the truth,so there might be jewish student in there ?

 

So maybe it should be same too,and in history of WW they shouldnt condemn Germany of anything,there might be a German student in there !

108.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:23 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 

So maybe it should be same too,and in history of WW they shouldnt condemn Germany of anything,there might be a German student in there !

 

 We teach history, we don´t perpetuate hate Canli.  We treat it as HISTORY.  We dont ask anyone to hate people..

109.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:30 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

So maybe it should be same too,and in history of WW they shouldnt condemn Germany of anything,there might be a German student in there !

 

 Canli, when I learned about WWII in school, I learned about the events...what happened on what dates....there were no graphic pictures, no opinions were offered by my teacher....just the facts.  I think I would be outraged if my child was shown graphic pictures of ANY war in school. 

110.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:32 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 We teach history, we don´t perpetuate hate Canli.  We treat it as HISTORY.  We dont ask anyone to hate people..

 

 Look AE..i tried to explained it before..

We teach history too at schools,and we also treat it as HÝSTORY,specially our history with israel

We have peace treat,our govermment wanted people to accept it,support it,they didnt want to perpetuate hate with many people losing family member at war wasnt easy,so teaching it as HÝSTORY was helping.

But what is happening in real these days..making even childern see different things !

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