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110.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:32 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 We teach history, we don´t perpetuate hate Canli.  We treat it as HISTORY.  We dont ask anyone to hate people..

 

 Look AE..i tried to explained it before..

We teach history too at schools,and we also treat it as HÝSTORY,specially our history with israel

We have peace treat,our govermment wanted people to accept it,support it,they didnt want to perpetuate hate with many people losing family member at war wasnt easy,so teaching it as HÝSTORY was helping.

But what is happening in real these days..making even childern see different things !

111.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:41 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 Canli, when I learned about WWII in school, I learned about the events...what happened on what dates....there were no graphic pictures, no opinions were offered by my teacher....just the facts.  I think I would be outraged if my child was shown graphic pictures of ANY war in school. 

 

 Elisabith,there is no graphic pictures,no openions are offered by teachers to children,STÝLL

Children know and watch.

When we go out even for shopping,there is the news on TV there,cafes,supermakets..etc every where.

People follow it,wait for any good news,any new news,wait for anything,or just sharing Palestinians what they feel.

Thats what i meant children are FORCED to know and see what is going on there

112.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:43 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 Look AE..i tried to explained it before..

 

 Yes and you DID explain it before, and I disagreed (which is my right)!  We will never agree, and I don´t expect us to.

Now calm down and take a chill pill.....

113.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:43 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I dont think you do get it!!

 

What do you expect a child THINK at that age looking at those pictures?

What if there is a jewish child among them?

Look at their age!!.

 

 I am referring to this.

 

Anyway, Canli....I am speaking for myself and for what I think is best for my child.  I agree with handsom.

114.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:45 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 I am referring to this.

 

Anyway, Canli....I am speaking for myself and for what I think is best for my child.  I agree with handsom.

 

 Its really sick...... well done for making another generation of hate and for giving those children nightmares for years to come

 

Great way of raising children!

115.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 11:58 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Yes and you DID explain it before, and I disagreed (which is my right)!  We will never agree, and I don´t expect us to.

Now calm down and take a chill pill.....

 

 Agree

But dont think chill pill will help...thx for the tip anyway.

116.       azade
1606 posts
 15 Jan 2009 Thu 12:07 am

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 Canli, when I learned about WWII in school, I learned about the events...what happened on what dates....there were no graphic pictures, no opinions were offered by my teacher....just the facts.  I think I would be outraged if my child was shown graphic pictures of ANY war in school. 

 

Well when I learned about WWII in the 4th or 5th grade we were shown all kinds of horrible videos of what happened in concetration camps. Disgusting pictures of evil that I will never be able to forget. Still we didn´t learn to hate all Germans, it taught us that something like that should never ever happen again.

117.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 15 Jan 2009 Thu 01:20 am

Azade, unfortunately history repeats itself.  You have to  realize man is basically an animal.

Israel Is Committing War Crimes

  

Hamas´s violations are no justification for Israel´s actions

 By GEORGE E. BISHARAT

Israel´s current assault on the Gaza Strip cannot be justified by self-defense. Rather, it involves serious violations of international law, including war crimes. Senior Israeli political and military leaders may bear personal liability for their offenses, and they could be prosecuted by an international tribunal, or by nations practicing universal jurisdiction over grave international crimes. Hamas fighters have also violated the laws of warfare, but their misdeeds do not justify Israel´s acts.
The United Nations charter preserved the customary right of a state to retaliate against an "armed attack" from another state. The right has evolved to cover nonstate actors operating beyond the borders of the state claiming self-defense, and arguably would apply to Hamas. However, an armed attack involves serious violations of the peace. Minor border skirmishes are common, and if all were considered armed attacks, states could easily exploit them -- as surrounding facts are often murky and unverifiable -- to launch wars of aggression. That is exactly what Israel seems to be currently attempting.


Israel had not suffered an "armed attack" immediately prior to its bombardment of the Gaza Strip. Since firing the first Kassam rocket into Israel in 2002, Hamas and other Palestinian groups have loosed thousands of rockets and mortar shells into Israel, causing about two dozen Israeli deaths and widespread fear. As indiscriminate attacks on civilians, these were war crimes. During roughly the same period, Israeli forces killed about 2,700 Palestinians in Gaza by targeted killings, aerial bombings, in raids, etc., according to the Israeli human rights group B´Tselem.
But on June 19, 2008, Hamas and Israel commenced a six-month truce. Neither side complied perfectly. Israel refused to substantially ease the suffocating siege of Gaza imposed in June 2007. Hamas permitted sporadic rocket fire -- typically after Israel killed or seized Hamas members in the West Bank, where the truce did not apply. Either one or no Israelis were killed (reports differ) by rockets in the half year leading up to the current attack.
Israel then broke the truce on Nov. 4, raiding the Gaza Strip and killing a Palestinian. Hamas retaliated with rocket fire; Israel then killed five more Palestinians. In the following days, Hamas continued rocket fire -- yet still no Israelis died. Israel cannot claim self-defense against this escalation, because it was provoked by Israel´s own violation.
An armed attack that is not justified by self-defense is a war of aggression. Under the Nuremberg Principles affirmed by U.N. Resolution 95, aggression is a crime against peace.


Israel has also failed to adequately discriminate between military and nonmilitary targets. Israel´s American-made F-16s and Apache helicopters have destroyed mosques, the education and justice ministries, a university, prisons, courts and police stations. These institutions were part of Gaza´s civilian infrastructure. And when nonmilitary institutions are targeted, civilians die. Many killed in the last week were young police recruits with no military roles. Civilian employees in the Hamas-led government deserve the protections of international law like all others. Hamas´s ideology -- which employees may or may not share -- is abhorrent, but civilized nations do not kill people merely for what they think.
Deliberate attacks on civilians that lack strict military necessity are war crimes. Israel´s current violations of international law extend a long pattern of abuse of the rights of Gaza Palestinians. Eighty percent of Gaza´s 1.5 million residents are Palestinian refugees who were forced from their homes or fled in fear of Jewish terrorist attacks in 1948. For 60 years, Israel has denied the internationally recognized rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes -- because they are not Jews.
Although Israel withdrew its settlers and soldiers from Gaza in 2005, it continues to tightly regulate Gaza´s coast, airspace and borders. Thus, Israel remains an occupying power with a legal duty to protect Gaza´s civilian population. But Israel´s 18-month siege of the Gaza Strip preceding the current crisis violated this obligation egregiously. It brought economic activity to a near standstill, left children hungry and malnourished, and denied Palestinian students opportunities to study abroad.
Israel should be held accountable for its crimes, and the U.S. should stop abetting it with unconditional military and diplomatic support.
Mr. Bisharat is a professor at Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco.

Wall street Journa

118.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 15 Jan 2009 Thu 10:52 pm

As Israeli Forces push deeper into gaza, unleashing the heaviest onslaught on the densely packed neighbourhoods since the military operation began nearly three weeks ago ~ aid, once again has been suspended in Gaza after the U.N Headquarters was set ablaze by what appeared to be phosphorus shells, destroying thousands of pounds of food and humanitarian supplies intended for Palestinian refugees. Three people were wounded.

White phosphorus is a controversial material used to create a smokescreen for advancing troops.

Under the International rules of war it can only be used in open spaces away from large civilian populations.

However ~ There have been repeated allegations in Gaza that civilians have suffered disfiguring burn injuries after being hit by white phosphorus.

A UN spokesman said the organisation was in contact with the Israeli army to request a local ceasefire to allow the U.N fire to be put out ~ Alas...Without success.

Last week deliveries stopped temporarily after Israel killed a UN fork lift truck driver moving bags of supplies.

The UN secretary general, Ban Ki~moon, expressed "strong protest and outrage" and demanded an investigation into why there was an attack on the compound of the UN Relief and Works Agency [UNRWA], a well~known location in Gaza marked with blue UN flags.

The number of casualties in the Gaza Strip, has now reached 1,055 ~ half of them civilian, according to local UN officials, and has "reached an unbearable point", Ban added. Gaza health official Dr. Moaiya Hassanain said at least 70 people were killed or died of wounds throughout Gaza yesterday.

Israel´s prime minister, Ehud Olmert, told Ban later that troops shelled the building in response to Hamas gunfire coming from within, but nonetheless said it should not have happened.

U.N officials inside the building are calling ´Bull~shit!!´ on Olmert.

Reports are also coming in that the al Quds, al Fata, al Wafa hospitals along with Shifa, Gaza City´s biggest hospital are also under Israeli shell bombardment. Fires are breaking out.

A tower block housing various media groups including the Gaza offices of Reuters was shelled, injuring two employees of an Arabic television network.

The French government issued a forthright condemnation of Israel´s actions.

"We condemn in the strongest terms the bombings this morning by the Israeli army of several hospitals and a building housing international media in Gaza city,´´ Eric Chevallier, spokesman for the French foreign ministry in Paris, said.

"We condemn with equal strength the bombing that hit the headquarters of the UN in Gaza, injuring three staff members.

Israel´s envoy Amos Gilad flew to Cairo today for talks with Egyptian mediators. He will not meet any of the Hamas representatives who are also in Egypt´s capital.

The Egyptian plan appears to begin with a ceasefire of a week or 10 days, during which all fighting would stop but Israeli troops would remain on the ground in Gaza. Talks would then be held on the more difficult questions of stopping the smuggling of weapons to Hamas and lifting Israel´s long economic blockade of the Gaza Strip.

However, it is thought Hamas´s conditions for any deal would probably include an immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces the moment a ceasefire started.

Source The Guardian. Huffy Post. The Telegraph

 

119.       libralady
5152 posts
 15 Jan 2009 Thu 11:02 pm

To reiterate Ros post, yes Israel has managed to bomb the UN compound and destroyed all the food, medical supplies and humanitarian supplies, which has caused the Iraeli Prime Minister to "applogise" to the head of the UN who was visiting Israel today.  This has been on the news tonight.

120.       azade
1606 posts
 15 Jan 2009 Thu 11:29 pm

modified. Thanks to whoever deleted the message above

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