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Turkish students hold a minute of silence for Palestinian childeren
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150.       lessluv
1052 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 02:19 pm

on the same sort of theme. I was working in and around the demonstration area at Trafalgar Square yesterday........ some of the protesters had wrapped children in white sheets that had been splattered with red dye ...... I understand the symbolism they were trying to express but I don´t think they took into account what effect it may have on these children, as I would have thought some sort of explanation would have neccessary to enable them to dress their children this way{#lang_emotions_confused}

151.       femmeous
2642 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 06:48 pm

it is sad that you all bear so much hatred in your hearts, that you live with a hope of revenge and a bloodshed. you are like bulls who gets excited at the color of blood or sharks who follows the taste of blood drop.

152.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 06:51 pm

{#lang_emotions_laugh_at}

Quoting femmeous

it is sad that you all bear so much hatred in your hearts, that you live with a hope of revenge and a bloodshed. you are like bulls who gets excited at the color of blood or sharks who follows the taste of blood drop.

 

look who is talking about hatred{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

153.       femmeous
2642 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 07:04 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

 

I agree with you femme, they are writing "with love" on the misilles, a very solid proof of how non-muslims always teach their children to love!

 

 there are no other nations that use their children as human shields and targets as do muslims. children to muslims are no more than dogs in most cases (it is my personal opinion), so they dont hesitate to use them anywhere or anyway. no other parents strap bombs on their children and women as they do in muslim countries.

some people try to justify the conflict with occupation, but i know that everything has to do with religion. its a shame that people make a judgement without learning about the culture and religion.

154.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 07:19 pm

If the Israeli attack on Gaza that started 18 days ago was designed partly to send a message to the incoming Barack Obama, the United States Congress in the past week seems to have joined the battle to handcuff the new president and lay down the law for him, even before he takes office.

 

Obama has tried to remain aloof and stay out of the political battle over the Gaza war by making no substantive statements about it. Israel and its supporters in Washington have different plans. Obama has stayed away from the war, but they brought the war to him - shoving it down his throat as his first pre-incumbency lesson in how American presidents must behave with respect to Israel´s desires, if they wish to remain in power.

 

The House of Representatives voted last Friday by 390-5 for a resolution that backed Israel in its Gaza onslaught, affirming "Israel´s right to defend itself against attacks from Gaza." A day earlier, the Senate overwhelmingly supported Israel and its right to defend itself against terrorism.

 

Such extraordinary one-sided support for Israel by Congress mirrors the same position taken by the administration. Both President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice declared on Monday that Hamas was to blame for the current war and for the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza, and that any ceasefire had to guarantee that Hamas stopped attacking Israel. They seemed incomprehensibly blind to Israel´s combined strangulation of and assault on Gaza.

 

This almost irrational absolute support for Israel in both the legislative and executive branches of the US government occurs amid a chorus of international condemnation of Israel for using excessive force. This includes calls by some United Nations officials and respectable non-governmental organizations to investigate whether Israel has committed war crimes.

 

Israel is using the two arsenals it is most comfortable with - military force to kill, injure, terrorize and displace thousands of Palestinian civilians; and the equivalent political overkill to bludgeon the American political establishment into total submission. After six decades of trying, Israel has been unable to turn Palestinians into vassals and subservient slaves - but it has succeeded in transforming an otherwise impressive American political governance system into a herd of castrated cattle who cower before the threats that Israel´s Washington-based henchmen and hit men direct at them. Gaza will get its ceasefire soon, but will Washington ever find relief from the stranglehold of Israel´s political thugs?

 

 

 

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=5&article_id=98991

 

 

155.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 07:21 pm

Obama was accused by critics of siding with Israel with his silence or failing to stand with the Jewish state as it sought to repel rocket attacks from the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

Earlier this month, Obama broke his silence to call the loss of civilian lives in Gaza and in Israel a "source of deep concern."

WHAT MIGHT OBAMA DO?

Obama told a news conference on Jan. 6 he would be prepared to address Middle East peacemaking as soon as he takes office. Many U.S. presidents have addressed the complex issue only later in their terms.

"I am doing everything that we have to do to make sure that the day that I take office we are prepared to engage immediately in trying to deal with the situation there," Obama said. "Not only the short-term situation but building a process whereby we can achieve a more lasting peace in the region."

Analysts say Obama might name a special envoy to the Middle East shortly after his inauguration in a sign of the importance he attaches to peacemaking.

"What I am doing right now is putting together the team so that on Jan. 20, starting on Day One, we have the best possible people who are going to be immediately engaged in the Middle East peace process as a whole, that are going to be engaging with all of the actors there, that will work to create a strategic approach that ensures that both Israelis and Palestinians can meet their aspirations," Obama said in an ABC interview on Jan. 11.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS OBAMA FACES?

Given the political divisions on both sides, a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict -- an issue that has bedeviled many U.S. presidents -- will be no easier for Obama.

The Palestinians are split between Hamas, which rules Gaza and remains officially committed to the destruction of Israel, and Fatah, which holds sway in the West Bank and whose leader, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, has spent more than a year engaged in U.S.-backed peace talks with Israel.

Israel holds an election on Feb 10, leaving it unclear who will lead the Jewish state and how committed the new leader may be to peace negotiations with the Palestinians.

Obama must decide how deeply the United States should get involved in peace moves and whether it should take a harder line toward Israel, for example on halting settlement building in the West Bank.

His nominee for secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, whose confirmation is expected next week, has been a staunch supporter of Israel, which may give her more latitude to persuade Israeli officials to make concessions.

(Washington Newsroom)

Copyright © 2008 Reuters

156.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 07:24 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 there are no other nations that use their children as human shields and targets as do muslims. children to muslims are no more than dogs in most cases (it is my personal opinion), so they dont hesitate to use them anywhere or anyway. no other parents strap bombs on their children and women as they do in muslim countries.

some people try to justify the conflict with occupation, but i know that everything has to do with religion. its a shame that people make a judgement without learning about the culture and religion.

 

cool, as I proved you were lieing, you keep telling other lies and expect us to believe. go ahead femme, I`m not gonna deal with your sick posts full of propagandist lies.

157.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 07:32 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

{#lang_emotions_laugh_at}

 

look who is talking about hatred{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

And you are Mother Theresa´s Turkish incarnation? {#lang_emotions_laugh_at}

158.       alameda
3499 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 08:36 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 I hate to disappoint you Alameda, but I do not think your president- elect shows any flying colors of wisdom, when it comes to Israel.

 

All Americans better learn Hebrew quick, if you want to understand what Obama is really talking about.

 

Although I do think Obama is a huge improvement, I´m not that naive to believe policies are going to change radically in the near future. Even if he wanted to make a radical change, he can´t as he is only one third of the power, there is the Legislative branch that has huge power.

 

Any real change will have to come about by real action from the citizens to request it.

It´s like what FDR said:

 

Go Ahead, Make Me

I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it.

Franklin D. Roosevelt
Comment to a group of reformers. His point: Until they lead the way, they shouldn´t expect leaders to follow.

 

I also don´t think we have ever had a perfect president. Even FDR, who was one of the best, has the Japanese internment blot on his administration.

 

The candidate I most wanted was Dennis Kucinich, but he didn´t have much of a chance.

159.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 09:08 pm

for months and months now:

Eyewitness: Gaza´s medical crisis

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7830302.stm

160.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 09:11 pm

The United Nations´ most senior human rights official said last night that the Israeli military may have committed war crimes in Gaza. The warning came as Israeli troops pressed on with the deadly offensive in defiance of a UN security council resolution calling for a ceasefire.

Navi Pillay, the UN high commissioner for human rights, has called for "credible, independent and transparent" investigations into possible violations of humanitarian law, and singled out an incident this week in Zeitoun, south-east of Gaza City, where up to 30 Palestinians in one house were killed by Israeli shelling.

Pillay, a former international criminal court judge from South Africa, told the BBC the incident "appears to have all the elements of war crimes".

The accusation came as Israel kept up its two-week-old air and ground offensive in Gaza and dismissed as "unworkable" the UN security council resolution which had called for "an immediate, durable and fully respected ceasefire".

Protests against the offensive were held across the world yesterday just as diplomacy to halt the conflict appeared to falter.

With the Palestinian casualty toll rising to around 800 dead, including 265 children, and more than 3,000 injured, fresh evidence emerged yesterday of the killings in Zeitoun. It was "one of the gravest incidents" since Israel´s offensive began two weeks ago, the UN office for the co-ordination of humanitarian affairs said yesterday.

"There is an international obligation on the part of soldiers in their position to protect civilians, not to kill civilians indiscriminately in the first place, and when they do, to make sure that they help the wounded," Pillay told Reuters. "In this particular case these children were helpless and the soldiers were close by," she added.

An Israeli military spokeswoman, Avital Leibovich, said the incident was still being examined. "We don´t warn people to go to other buildings, this is not something we do," she said. "We don´t know this case, we don´t know that we attacked it."

Despite the intense bombardment, militants in Gaza fired at least 30 rockets into southern Israel yesterday. Sami Abu Zuhri, a Hamas spokesman, told al-Jazeera TV: "This resolution doesn´t mean that the war is over. We call on Palestinian fighters to mobilise and be ready to face the offensive, and we urge the Arab masses to carry on with their angry protests."

Israeli officials said they could not be expected to halt their military operation while the rockets continued and said they first wanted an end to the rocket fire and a "mechanism" to prevent Hamas rearming in future.

"The whole idea that Israel will unilaterally stop protecting our people when Hamas is sending rockets into our cities to kill our people is not a reasonable request of Israel," said Mark Regev, spokesman for prime minister Ehud Olmert. Israel wanted security for its people in southern Israel, he said, and dismissed suggestions his military might seek to topple Hamas, saying they were "not in the regime-change business".

Israeli public opinion still strongly favours the war. One poll of Jewish Israelis yesterday, by the War and Peace Index, said 90% of the population supported continuing the operation until Israel achieved all its goals.

Olmert held a meeting of his security cabinet, and on the agenda was discussion about whether to intensify the offensive by launching a fresh stage of attacks in which Israeli troops would invade the major urban areas of Gaza as more reservists were called up. There was no word on the outcome.

So far 13 Israelis have been killed in this conflict, of whom three were civilians.

Another 23 Palestinians were killed by the Israeli military yesterday. Seven from one family, including an infant, died when Israeli jets bombed a five-storey building in Beit Lahiya, in northern Gaza. There was heavy aerial bombing and artillery fire across the territory.

More than 20,000 Gazans have fled their homes in the north of the strip and thousands more in the south. In some cases Israeli troops have told them to leave, or dropped leaflets warning them to evacuate their homes. Some are even dividing their families between different addresses for fear of losing them all in a single air strike.

"Many people are leaving their homes and moving to the centre of the cities," said Abdel Karim Ashour, 53, who works with a local aid agency, the Palestinian Agricultural Relief Committee. He, his wife and their four children fled their house on the coastal road in northern Gaza on the third day of the conflict. He sent the four children to stay with his brother while he and his wife are staying at a friend´s house. "We were in an area of heavy shelling, so we left and I divided the family to try to reduce the victims if we face any trouble. We try and keep in touch by telephone but there are problems with the network," he said. "We´re just hoping for a ceasefire. If the fighting goes on there will be more victims."

 

 

 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/10/gaza-schools

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