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60.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:41 pm

Canli, I absolutely understand your disgust, I am disgusted by what goes on there as well. I am just saying that the hatered there is on both sides and Israeli children are taught no more hate than Palestinian children are.

 

What I strongly disagree with is portraying Hamas as innocent sheeps and Israel as a big bad wolf.

 

And as for Jew-Israeli distinction we all know about it, but we often use mental leaps, which, by definitions are imprecise

61.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:44 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 There´s a saying in Turkish.. pire için yorgan yakýlmaz... it means you don´t burn your quilt for one tiny flea... even if Hamas was aggressive, it does not give Israle any right to go and kill 1000 civilian, half of them children and women, does it?...

 

Exactly! That´s why I´m not pro-Israeli in this war. I believe they´ve exceeded the amount of violence beyond comprehension. It is merely the call for blood in Muslim world (sorry for that simplification but I suppose you understand what I mean by it) and portraying Palestinians as purely innocent that I object to

62.       Merih
933 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:48 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Exactly! That´s why I´m not pro-Israeli in this war. I believe they´ve exceeded the amount of violence beyond comprehension. It is merely the call for blood in Muslim world (sorry for that simplification but I suppose you understand what I mean by it) and portraying Palestinians as purely innocent that I object to

 

 Well,  DD the frustration among us is that, Israel is the strong party, they do censor all the media reports, and whenever they are asked about the casualties, they say that Hamas is responsible... The people likes us, not necessarily Muslim, are not heard.. Hamas may have had a wrong approach, but it does not make an average Palestinian responsible, or Hamas responsible for the killings.  Israel is the one who is bombarding a small cage like area without providing humanitarian aid, or international journalists, or officers to the area.

 

This makes it not acceptable.

63.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:56 pm

DD,çýko said something you didnt pay attention too

Hamas was founded on 1987... for what ?

And why people supported/support it ?

Because they were living in Heaven and Hamas made it hell for them ?!

Hamas is a reaction of the israelis actions

Ýts resistance,and its legal for nations to resists occupations,even its ther rights to do so.

Ofcourse israel would define it as terrorism..and that goes too for US

And in that case,i dont think Palestinias care less what do they think,and proved it by electing Hamas as their legal government.

So yes,israel is the bad wolf...but thank god,Palestine,hamas isnt a sheep too!

64.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 04:01 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 Well,  DD the frustration among us is that, Israel is the strong party, they do censor all the media reports, and whenever they are asked about the casualties, they say that Hamas is responsible... The people likes us, not necessarily Muslim, are not heard.. Hamas may have had a wrong approach, but it does not make an average Palestinian responsible, or Hamas responsible for the killings.  Israel is the one who is bombarding a small cage like area without providing humanitarian aid, or international journalists, or officers to the area.

 

This makes it not acceptable.

 

I never said it was acceptable, but as for humanitarian aid, Hadar said otherwise. This of course does not justify the number of victims Israel has created

65.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 04:03 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

DD,çýko said something you didnt pay attention too

Hamas was founded on 1987... for what ?

And why people supported/support it ?

Because they were living in Heaven and Hamas made it hell for them ?!

Hamas is a reaction of the israelis actions

Ýts resistance,and its legal for nations to resists occupations,even its ther rights to do so.

Ofcourse israel would define it as terrorism..and that goes too for US

And in that case,i dont think Palestinias care less what do they think,and proved it by electing Hamas as their legal government.

So yes,israel is the bad wolf...but thank god,Palestine,hamas isnt a sheep too!

Sorry, with a five-month-old terrorist at home it´s pretty hard to pay attention to everything. Thatnk you for agreeing with me that Hamas is not innocent. That´s all I claimed.

 

66.       chiko
135 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 04:05 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Sorry, with a five-month-old terrorist at home it´s pretty hard to pay attention to everything. Thatnk you for agreeing with me that Hamas is not innocent. That´s all I claimed.

 

Are you married? oh i am dissapointed

67.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 04:05 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

I never said it was acceptable, but as for humanitarian aid, Hadar said otherwise. This of course does not justify the number of victims Israel has created

 

 

At WWII would a british citizen accept going to Germany for medication ?!

Would you do it ?!

Ý know i wouldnt !

68.       Merih
933 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 04:07 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

I never said it was acceptable, but as for humanitarian aid, Hadar said otherwise. This of course does not justify the number of victims Israel has created

 

 Hadar is not the one to blame... Israel has not been allowing any journalist to go in there to look for themselves what is actually going on.. According to an int. TV channel, the require Aid is around 540 trucks everyday, but currently only 50 is allowed.  So no matter what he says, there is proof showing otherwise.

69.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 04:13 pm

Israeli troops kill U.N. truck driver at Gaza crossing

JERUSALEM — Israeli soldiers opened fire Thursday on a truck attempting to deliver humanitarian aid to the beleaguered Gaza Strip, killing one United Nations-contracted driver and seriously wounding another, U.N. officials said.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/59250.html

 

The Red Cross has accused Israel of failing to fulfil its obligation to help wounded civilians in Gaza.

ICRC staff found four weak and scared children beside their mothers´ bodies in houses hit by shelling in Zeitoun.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7817926.stm

 

Ý guess that can give an idea about the humanitarian aid there,opening their ´israeli´s´ hospitals for palestinians is propoganda,hit by the facts that been carried on by israel in Gaza 

70.       Merih
933 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 04:26 pm

Finally....

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/14/israel-gaza-un-court-palestine

 

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