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190.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 02:05 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

 Yes it is, and all you need is an interpreter to help you answer the questions, if you take the citizenship test.

 

I think this is rather a simplistic view if you look back at our history and see how immigration has changed the face of the UK.  Try telling someone who emigrated to the UK in 1960´s who does not speak English they are a guest here.

 

There are 10´s of thousand of people in the UK who dont´ speak English, even 2nd generation have problems.  they don´t absorb themselve in our culture they retain their own, they do not like our laws, but wish for their own......... and we tolerate this, and even embrace it. 

 

Sorry this is off topic.

 

 +1

May I also add, that many of these "citizens" hate everything about our country...

191.       lady in red
6947 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 02:09 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

 Yes it is, and all you need is an interpreter to help you answer the questions, if you take the citizenship test.

 

I think this is rather a simplistic view if you look back at our history and see how immigration has changed the face of the UK.  Try telling someone who emigrated to the UK in 1960´s who does not speak English they are a guest here.

 

There are 10´s of thousand of people in the UK who dont´ speak English, even 2nd generation have problems.  they don´t absorb themselve in our culture they retain their own, they do not like our laws, but wish for their own......... and we tolerate this, and even embrace it. 

 

Sorry this is off topic.

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 +1

May I also add, that many of these "citizens" hate everything about our country...

 

 + another 1.....and they don´t hesitate to announce it at any given opportunity..

192.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 02:49 pm

Don´t tell me about such immigrants. For a year and a half I´ve been surrounded with the weirdest people ever. Language is one thing - there are people who can hardly go beyond "hello" even though they´ve been here for 4 or 5 years. Some have never tried going shopping in regular shops, they buy everything they need in Polish or Lithuanian shops (and pay through the nose). They have never talked to an Irish person but consider them all stupid simpletons who have no knowledge of Polish history and geography (at the same time they wouldn´t be able to name the Irish president). I´ve always thought such people exist only in anegdotes but I was wrong.

 

When you immigrate you need to adjust to the rules and social standards of the target country. It is as simple as that. Why would you want to make a copy of your country somewhere else especially taht you had a reason to leave your homeland?

193.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 02:56 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

When you immigrate you need to adjust to the rules and social standards of the target country. It is as simple as that. Why would you want to make a copy of your country somewhere else especially taht you had a reason to leave your homeland?

 

 Well I agree, but I think the reason that the UK is so tolerant and keen to never offend immigrants is our colonial past.

 

We have been guilty creating "little Englands" all over the world, amongst all our other atrocities!  I guess we have a few hundred years of guilt to deal with before we get tough on our immigrants now!



Edited (2/24/2009) by TheAenigma
Edited (2/24/2009) by TheAenigma

194.       femmeous
2642 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 03:28 pm

and of course nobody has noticed one simle fact in janissary´s post.

kurds arent immigrants, they´ve been living there for thousands years unlike invading immigrant turks lol

195.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 03:28 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 +1

May I also add, that many of these "citizens" hate everything about our country...

 

 that means they are just citizen officially, but u cant wait anything from these ppl for your country. as I dont wait anything from thehandsom for turkey. I mean, in turkey we celebrate important times together like national days, religous days and we share same feelings about our country. if you deny or hate things about a country, you will always feel stranger in your own country, as immigrants do in Uk or in other countries. some ppl dont wanna accept this but in turkey turks, kurds, laz ppl have many common interests, For this reason Turkey is still exist for centuries.

196.       femmeous
2642 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 03:31 pm

blondie, ROFL nothing to add. you hit the bull´s eye lol

about the simpletons and the history of poland i just feel you quoted my husband lol

thank you for this post

Quoting Daydreamer

Don´t tell me about such immigrants. For a year and a half I´ve been surrounded with the weirdest people ever. Language is one thing - there are people who can hardly go beyond "hello" even though they´ve been here for 4 or 5 years. Some have never tried going shopping in regular shops, they buy everything they need in Polish or Lithuanian shops (and pay through the nose). They have never talked to an Irish person but consider them all stupid simpletons who have no knowledge of Polish history and geography (at the same time they wouldn´t be able to name the Irish president). I´ve always thought such people exist only in anegdotes but I was wrong.

 

When you immigrate you need to adjust to the rules and social standards of the target country. It is as simple as that. Why would you want to make a copy of your country somewhere else especially taht you had a reason to leave your homeland?

 

 

197.       femmeous
2642 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 03:37 pm

not only that. but all the western countries issue tourist guides to all the countries. it shows how they are careful about not to offend "otherness" of countries they want to holiday in.

you hardly find any "DO´s or DONT´s guidebooks to the west in eastern countries.

off topic, im afraid some mods can be intolerant to offtopic posts.

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 Well I agree, but I think the reason that the UK is so tolerant and keen to never offend immigrants is our colonial past.

 

We have been guilty creating "little Englands" all over the world, amongst all our other atrocities!  I guess we have a few hundred years of guilt to deal with before we get tough on our immigrants now!

 

 

198.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 03:52 pm

 

Quoting TheJanissary

 

 

 that means they are just citizen officially, but u cant wait anything from these ppl for your country. as I dont wait anything from thehandsom for turkey. I mean, in turkey we celebrate important times together like national days, religous days and we share same feelings about our country. if you deny or hate things about a country, you will always feel stranger in your own country, as immigrants do in Uk or in other countries. some ppl dont wanna accept this but in turkey turks, kurds, laz ppl have many common interests, For this reason Turkey is still exist for centuries.

 

Well I would not want to feel same as you tobe honest or any of the nationalistic people..

And I dont want any of you giving anything to my country either.

My country does not need any of the feelings you have.

Sky rocketing, racistic nationalism is making my country very dirty and i find that type nationalism quite dangerous for our national unity..

 

 

 

 

199.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 04:09 pm

 

Quoting TheJanissary

 

 

I mean, in turkey we celebrate important times together like national days, religous days and we share same feelings about our country. if you deny or hate things about a country, you will always feel stranger in your own country, as immigrants do in Uk or in other countries. some ppl dont wanna accept this but in turkey turks, kurds, laz ppl have many common interests, For this reason Turkey is still exist for centuries.

 

 I completely agree actually.  Like I said, there are two many diverse cultures who don´t want to co-exist in our country.  However, like I also said, the UK has a "guilt" from our history.  We have done the same in the colonies, so we cannot be hypocrites now...

200.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 04:10 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Well I would not want to feel same as you tobe honest or any of the nationalistic people..

And I dont want any of you giving anything to my country either.

My country does not need any of the feelings you have.

Sky rocketing, racistic nationalism is making my country very dirty and i find that type nationalism quite dangerous for our national unity..

 

 

 we love our country if you call this nationalism yes Im nationalist and Im proud of it. I dont think it s dangerous to love my country. but it s dangerous for my country if someone, like you, accepts and believes whatever some columnists wrote about turkey and post it to everywhere to show as if there is a genocide against other nations in turkey. and someone who always denies every special thing about turkey as u posted some comments about out national events.

 

I really wonder what u give to my country except insulting every special thing about turkey???

and making ppl believe different about turkey???

 

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