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180.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 05:57 am

Actually this Kurdish politician should first learn to interpret law and nationalism of Turkey, it says the ones who are bounded the Turkish state with citizenship, is Turk. This has nothing to do with ethnicity. For example a Brasilian who has eligible to get Turkish citizenship and want to be a Turkish citizen, after then he also called Turk officially by Turkish state. What do you expect from Türkiye to call him? Brasilian? Isnt this divisiveness between Turkey’s citizens?

 

Quoting thehandsom

 Below is a paragraph from a kurdish politician :

 

"In the constitution it says that ‘everyone bound to the Turkish state through the bond of citizenship is a Turk’. According to official explanations, this sentence defines Turkish society and not an ethnic group. However, this is not true. The statements, practices and laws of the founders of Turkey show that this sentence refers to Turkish ethnicity. If this article is not changed, we cannot talk of a solution of the Kurdish issue."

 

 

 

 

181.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 06:09 am

 

Quoting cynicmystic

Becasue I will perhaps get attacked; receive hate mail; be called a nationalist patriotic pig brainwashed in rhetoric and all else that comes with being logical. I just wrote it in handsom´s thread so that people could actually have something that is worthy of reading other than newspaper articles... But, thanks anyway man. I appreciate it.

 

 

 

 Ohh i forgot this , no need to thanks mate, actually i appreciate your effort, yes that name callings are high possibility, but you should accommodate with this name calling, i did

 

182.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 12:41 pm

 

Quoting armegon

Actually this Kurdish politician should first learn to interpret law and nationalism of Turkey, it says the ones who are bounded the Turkish state with citizenship, is Turk. This has nothing to do with ethnicity. For example a Brasilian who has eligible to get Turkish citizenship and want to be a Turkish citizen, after then he also called Turk officially by Turkish state. What do you expect from Türkiye to call him? Brasilian? Isnt this divisiveness between Turkey’s citizens?

 

 

 

 

That is the problem actually..

Turkey has spent all those years trying to prove that it is "one race, one nation".

It is fine as long  you can make people believe in what you are saying.

But as you can see, people dont believe in that..

I mean you could not persuade some of citizens to believe "Turk as a word refers to citizenship only but not the race"



Edited (2/24/2009) by thehandsom

183.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 12:53 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

But as you can see, people dont believe in that..

I mean you could not persuade some of citizens to believe "Turk as a word refers to citizenship only but not the race"

 

 I think you could say that of most countries actually...

184.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 01:03 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

That is the problem actually..

Turkey has spent all those years trying to prove that it is "one race, one nation".

It is fine as long  you can make people believe in what you are saying.

But as you can see, people dont believe in that..

I mean you could not persuade some of citizens to believe "Turk as a word refers to citizenship only but not the race"

 

 you dont know anything about how to be a citizen or member of a country. it s neither only race nor religion. It s the combination of different common points.

185.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 01:06 pm

 

Quoting TheJanissary

 

 

 you dont know anything about how to be a citizen or member of a country. it s neither only race nor religion. It s the combination of different common points.

 

 Hell....try applying that to the UK and it would fail miserably! 

186.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 01:45 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 Hell....try applying that to the UK and it would fail miserably! 

 

 can u tell me, is it possible to be a citizen of UK, if you cant speak english?

if you dont have any common point with most of a country, or if u dont have any feeling about the culture, you cant be a citizen of this country, u can be just a guest there.

187.       libralady
5152 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 01:57 pm

 

Quoting TheJanissary

 

 

 I dont understand how did he manage to direct all moderators.

all of the moderators do what he wants...

someone explain please...

 

 

 Perhaps you should explain on what evidence you have based your claim!

188.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 02:02 pm

 

Quoting TheJanissary

 

 

 can u tell me, is it possible to be a citizen of UK, if you cant speak english?

if you dont have any common point with most of a country, or if u dont have any feeling about the culture, you cant be a citizen of this country, u can be just a guest there.

 

 Of course! lol

Many refuse to even adapt their culture...

189.       libralady
5152 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 02:02 pm

 

Quoting TheJanissary

 

 

 can u tell me, is it possible to be a citizen of UK, if you cant speak english?

if you dont have any common point with most of a country, or if u dont have any feeling about the culture, you cant be a citizen of this country, u can be just a guest there.

 

 Yes it is, and all you need is an interpreter to help you answer the questions, if you take the citizenship test.

 

I think this is rather a simplistic view if you look back at our history and see how immigration has changed the face of the UK.  Try telling someone who emigrated to the UK in 1960´s who does not speak English they are a guest here.

 

There are 10´s of thousand of people in the UK who dont´ speak English, even 2nd generation have problems.  they don´t absorb themselve in our culture they retain their own, they do not like our laws, but wish for their own......... and we tolerate this, and even embrace it. 

 

Sorry this is off topic.



Edited (2/24/2009) by libralady [needed to emphasis a point]

190.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 02:05 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

 Yes it is, and all you need is an interpreter to help you answer the questions, if you take the citizenship test.

 

I think this is rather a simplistic view if you look back at our history and see how immigration has changed the face of the UK.  Try telling someone who emigrated to the UK in 1960´s who does not speak English they are a guest here.

 

There are 10´s of thousand of people in the UK who dont´ speak English, even 2nd generation have problems.  they don´t absorb themselve in our culture they retain their own, they do not like our laws, but wish for their own......... and we tolerate this, and even embrace it. 

 

Sorry this is off topic.

 

 +1

May I also add, that many of these "citizens" hate everything about our country...

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