Welcome
Login:   Pass:     Register - Forgot Password - Resend Activation

Turkish Class Forums / Turkish Politics

Turkish Politics

Add reply to this discussion
Separation paranoia or would education in Kurdish separate Turkey?
(58 Messages in 6 pages - View all)
1 2 3 [4] 5 6
30.       bydand
755 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 10:43 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 But my point is that Kurds did not suddenly decide to live in "Turkey" - they have always been there, so why do they have to change their language?

 

 As vineyards said there has been many civilisations living in this area. I don´t know if the Kurds were the first occupants.

31.       _AE_
677 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 10:46 pm

 

Quoting bydand

 

 

 As vineyards said there has been many civilisations living in this area. I don´t know if the Kurds were the first occupants.

 

 Me neither - but I guess it depends on how far we go back

32.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 11:00 pm

 Thats true something changed under the pressure of EU, thats people became more hostile to eachother.  And what about thousands of innocent Turkish citizens killed by Kurdish facists? As i know Kurds are using their language everywhere except the official institutions. Besides what are their cultural holidays? As far as i know nowadays they celebrate the 15th of August where 33 Turkish soldiers killed which is not cultural. By the way is there a country called Kurdistan established that we dont know? As some members here comparing it to Turkey & Poland. History repeats itself and i advice you to research how many Kurdish riots uprised during war of independence and the following years instead of trying to give history lessons here and who were behind those riots. In fact Turks expect initiative from Kurds, like its beter if they do not stone the government offices as they just used those offices, its better if they choose parlimentarian not from a prison but from a school, its better if they send their girls and boys to school instead of demanding official Kurdish education, its better if they riot against their feudal system instead of state, its better if they do not sabotage the enterprices and investments that the state provides, then the problem is mostly solved... 

Quoting catwoman

 

I am not sure how it is now, some things have changed under the pressure of EU, but not that long ago, before the barbaric tortures against Kurds by the modern turkish government, Kurds were not even allowed to use kurdish names for their children, not to mention celebrating their cultural holidays, or using their language in public places..

 

I do wonder why Clinton is so loved by Turks, maybe the atrocities against Kurds campaign and US involvement has some insight into it..

 

 

 

33.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 11:01 pm

 Exactly!

Quoting bydand

                                                                                                                                                Quote Elisabeth

but the heart of the problem seems to be the Kurds themselves. Concessions will have to be made on both sides but many of the Kurdish people don´t seem to be willing compromise.

 

 

 

 

34.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 11:14 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 I would agree if the Kurds had immigated to Turkey, but, to my knowledge, were they not inhabiting that area BEFORE Turkey became Turkey?

 

 You make a really great point...however, we don´t speak any native American language as an official language in the US....they all speak English.  Maybe its not fair but it is reality and we can sit an argue about it all day but the official language of Turkey is Turkish and I think it is not unreasonable to expect the citizens of Turkey to speak Turkish.  By the same token, Kurds should NOT be discriminated against if they speak Kurdish in their own home or businesses...etc...

35.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 11:26 pm

 

Quoting armegon

 Thats true something changed under the pressure of EU, thats people became more hostile to eachother.  And what about thousands of innocent Turkish citizens killed by Kurdish facists? As i know Kurds are using their language everywhere except the official institutions. Besides what are their cultural holidays? As far as i know nowadays they celebrate the 15th of August where 33 Turkish soldiers killed which is not cultural. By the way is there a country called Kurdistan established that we dont know? As some members here comparing it to Turkey & Poland. History repeats itself and i advice you to research how many Kurdish riots uprised during war of independence and the following years instead of trying to give history lessons here and who were behind those riots. In fact Turks expect initiative from Kurds, like its beter if they do not stone the government offices as they just used those offices, its better if they choose parlimentarian not from a prison but from a school, its better if they send their girls and boys to school instead of demanding official Kurdish education, its better if they riot against their feudal system instead of state, its better if they do not sabotage the enterprices and investments that the state provides, then the problem is mostly solved... 

 

 

 

Do you know how many people died exactly?

Can you show me an official documentation showing the ethnicity of the people who died?

Can you tell us how many of them were kurdish and how many of them were turkish?

Can you also tell us that how those kurds died (a mass suicide)?

Do you know how many times our own goverment punished by EU human rights court? (do you recognize is as a court?)

Do you know that there are 17.000 kurds gone missing  and their bones are being found here and there? how do you think they have gone missing? magic?

And what do you think the solution from your side apart from ´we want to kill them all and cause many more  turks-kurds got killed´?

If they were not rebelious, put your hand into your heart and tell us, would you give any RIGHTS to the people who said they were kurds?

I mean would you recognize their identity? would you recognize their language?

 

 

36.       Melek74
1506 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 11:42 pm

 

Quoting armegon

By the way is there a country called Kurdistan established that we dont know? As some members here comparing it to Turkey & Poland. History repeats itself and i advice you to research how many Kurdish riots uprised during war of independence and the following years instead of trying to give history lessons here and who were behind those riots.

 

You know, you´re right. I didn´t even think about it. I was comparing the situation to the situation of immigrants, but I didn´t even think of Poland´s history of fight for their independence when they were divided between neighbouring countries and wiped from the map for almost 150 years. The Poles too had to fight for the independence in several uprisings (which I´m sure the government considered as terrorist) and they had to preserve the language, which the Russians, Prussians and Austrians wanted to eradicate via the process of germanization or russification. Good thing they didn´t succeed or I would have to speak German now, which is not the sexiest of languages (in my opinion). History does repeat itself, sometimes in a different part of the world.

37.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 12:01 am

 As usual you jumped thehandsom, what is your post relevance to my post except your standard agitations? I dont need to research ethnicities as the ones who killed were Turkish citizens. And regarding the bones you mentioned, do you know their ethnicities? do you mean 17000 people´s bones found? In fact its proved bones were dog bones. I explained the solution in my previous post if you read carefully. Actually they have the same rights like all Turkish citizens. The question is what they want from state now other than ordinary Turkish citizen have.

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Do you know how many people died exactly?

Can you show me an official documentation showing the ethnicity of the people who died?

Can you tell us how many of them were kurdish and how many of them were turkish?

Can you also tell us that how those kurds died (a mass suicide)?

Do you know how many times our own goverment punished by EU human rights court? (do you recognize is as a court?)

Do you know that there are 17.000 kurds gone missing  and their bones are being found here and there? how do you think they have gone missing? magic?

And what do you think the solution from your side apart from ´we want to kill them all and cause many more  turks-kurds got killed´?

If they were not rebelious, put your hand into your heart and tell us, would you give any RIGHTS to the people who said they were kurds?

I mean would you recognize their identity? would you recognize their language?

 

 

 

 



Edited (9/5/2009) by armegon

38.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 12:13 am

 

Quoting armegon

 As usual you jumped thehandsom, what is your post relevance to my post except your standard agitations? I dont need to research ethnicities as the ones who killed were Turkish citizens. And regarding the bones you mentioned, do you know their ethnicities? do you mean 17000 people´s bones found? In fact its proved bones were dog bones. I explained the solution in my previous post if you read carefully. Actually they have the same rights like all Turkish citizens. The question is what they want from state now other than ordinary Turkish citizen have.

 

 

 

As usual  you are in denial..

You did not answer my questions lol (I bet you do NOT know the answers )

well..how relevant? since it is called ´KURDISH PROBLEM´ I think how many kurds died is very relevant..

Because you do not CARE how many kurds died that is why we have KURDISH PROBLEM!!

It may not be RELEVANT to you..but it is really relevant to the KURDS specially..

 

If they all had the same rights as Turks ( lol ) why do you think half of the Turkish media is talking about the KURDISH problem and trying to find solutions (including the army)

 

17.000 are missing, some of them  were identified with DNA matching and everyday we are learning where they got burried how they got killed etc.

do not worry..They are all coming out

 

 

 

 

39.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 12:19 am

 

Quoting Melek74

 

 

The only ´Muslim genocide" in Iraq is that commited by Iraq against Kurds in the al-Anfal campaign. Do you want to see pictures of the babies and civilians killed by your beloved Iraqi Muslims?

 

hahaha that genocide was commited with the help of america. who gave saddam those biological weapons to kill the Kurds? Turkey or your beloved christian americans? and those kurds were killed for being kurds not for being muslims, so calling it a muslim genocide shows how clueless you are.

 

want to see the pictures of Iraqis genocided and tortured by your fellow christians?



Edited (9/5/2009) by mhsn supertitiz
Edited (9/5/2009) by mhsn supertitiz

40.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 12:21 am

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 But my point is that Kurds did not suddenly decide to live in "Turkey" - they have always been there, so why do they have to change their language?

 

why don`t you give the Irish the right to get education in their own language in England? are you aware of the fact that you`re violating human rights? they have always been in Britain, so why do they have to change their language?



Edited (9/5/2009) by mhsn supertitiz

(58 Messages in 6 pages - View all)
1 2 3 [4] 5 6
Add reply to this discussion




Turkish Dictionary
Turkish Chat
Open mini chat
New in Forums
Why yer gördüm but yeri geziyorum
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much, makes perfect sense!
Etmeyi vs etmek
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much!
Görülmez vs görünmiyor
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much, very well explained!
Içeri and içeriye
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much for the detailed ...
Present continous tense
HaydiDeer: Got it, thank you!
Hic vs herhangi, degil vs yok
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much!
Rize Artvin Airport Transfer - Rize Tours
rizetours: Dear Guest; In order to make your Black Sea trip more enjoyable, our c...
What does \"kabul ettiğini\" mean?
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much for the detailed ...
Kimse vs biri (anyone)
HaydiDeer: Thank you!
Random Pictures of Turkey
Most commented