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Separation paranoia or would education in Kurdish separate Turkey?
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40.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 12:21 am

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 But my point is that Kurds did not suddenly decide to live in "Turkey" - they have always been there, so why do they have to change their language?

 

why don`t you give the Irish the right to get education in their own language in England? are you aware of the fact that you`re violating human rights? they have always been in Britain, so why do they have to change their language?



Edited (9/5/2009) by mhsn supertitiz

41.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 12:31 am

 

Quoting armegon

 Thats true something changed under the pressure of EU, thats people became more hostile to eachother.  And what about thousands of innocent Turkish citizens killed by Kurdish facists? As i know Kurds are using their language everywhere except the official institutions. Besides what are their cultural holidays? As far as i know nowadays they celebrate the 15th of August where 33 Turkish soldiers killed which is not cultural. By the way is there a country called Kurdistan established that we dont know? As some members here comparing it to Turkey & Poland. History repeats itself and i advice you to research how many Kurdish riots uprised during war of independence and the following years instead of trying to give history lessons here and who were behind those riots. In fact Turks expect initiative from Kurds, like its beter if they do not stone the government offices as they just used those offices, its better if they choose parlimentarian not from a prison but from a school, its better if they send their girls and boys to school instead of demanding official Kurdish education, its better if they riot against their feudal system instead of state, its better if they do not sabotage the enterprices and investments that the state provides, then the problem is mostly solved... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

+100000000000

42.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 12:35 am

I replied questions and proposed a solution if you can read since the problem stems from the Kurds themselves. And instead of repeating the same things, the question should be replied that is what they want from state now other than ordinary Turkish citizen have.

Quoting sthehandsom

43.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 12:44 am

There are many things to consider when talking about the situation of Kurds in Turkey. They most certainly are a minority in that country and going back to who was the first to settle there is pointless. History is past, what remains and is worth working on is the future. I can understand that some Kurds who remember being treated as second-class citizens have developed a dislike for the Turkish government. As we know hatered takes on quickly and if you live in the area where you´re taught to hate, you do it. I can also understand the Turkish resentment over a group of people who do not feel Turks despite living within the political borders of that country. I am not going to comment on the terrorism as you already know I am against fighting for your ideals in this form.

 

About the language, I can only partially agree with bed Amerikans - as long as Kurds have Turkish citizenships, they should have a working knowledge of Turkish. And there should be no exceptions. Even if Turkey held a national referendum whether to recognise Kurdish as second official language and it passed, I think Kurds should know Turkish.  However, there are different ways of providing Kurds with the opportunity to learn about their ethnicity and language. I am talking about things that work in EU countries - there are schools with the main language being not the country´s official language (but it doesn´t mean that the students do not have to take exams in the official language as well). Poland is an example, the region where I come from is full of people of German descent. Although Polish is the only official language, there is a number of schools with German being the main language taught. And nobody has a problem with that. Also, all towns in the area had a chance to introduce double place names - in Polish and German. Some of them voted yes and some no. Moreover, nobody died during the process...

 

I believe it takes two sides to communicate - and good will on both sides. In the long run it is tolerance and understanding that solves problems.

44.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 12:46 am

 

Quoting armegon

I replied questions and proposed a solution if you can read since the problem stems from the Kurds themselves. And instead of repeating the same things, the question should be replied that is what they want from state now other than ordinary Turkish citizen have.

Quoting sthehandsom

 

I can not see any answers armegon I do NOT think you are telling the truth there..

and THE  solution is this?

 Turks expect initiative from Kurds, like its beter if they do not stone the government offices as they just used those offices, its better if they choose parlimentarian not from a prison but from a school, its better if they send their girls and boys to school instead of demanding official Kurdish education, its better if they riot against their feudal system instead of state, its better if they do not sabotage the enterprices and investments that the state provides, then the problem is mostly solved... 


lol lol lol 



45.       bydand
755 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 01:14 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I can not see any answers armegon I do NOT think you are telling the truth there..

and THE  solution is this?

 Turks expect initiative from Kurds, like its beter if they do not stone the government offices as they just used those offices, its better if they choose parlimentarian not from a prison but from a school, its better if they send their girls and boys to school instead of demanding official Kurdish education, its better if they riot against their feudal system instead of state, its better if they do not sabotage the enterprices and investments that the state provides, then the problem is mostly solved... 


lol lol lol 



 

I cannot understand your thinking handsom. I think it goes a long to explaining the massacre of a family of 44 near Mardin in a domestic dispute. To be taken seriously the vast majority of the honest hard working Kurdish people have to rise above this.

46.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 01:15 am

 Yep, dont you like it?  Those are truths that we exprienced, of course not my made-ups, those are the observations of public. So now whats the reply to my question? What are demands of Kurds? What is this unknown initiative?

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I can not see any answers armegon I do NOT think you are telling the truth there..

and THE  solution is this?

 Turks expect initiative from Kurds, like its beter if they do not stone the government offices as they just used those offices, its better if they choose parlimentarian not from a prison but from a school, its better if they send their girls and boys to school instead of demanding official Kurdish education, its better if they riot against their feudal system instead of state, its better if they do not sabotage the enterprices and investments that the state provides, then the problem is mostly solved... 


lol lol lol 



 

 

47.       Melek74
1506 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 01:18 am

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

hahaha that genocide was commited with the help of america. who gave saddam those biological weapons to kill the Kurds? Turkey or your beloved christian americans? and those kurds were killed for being kurds not for being muslims, so calling it a muslim genocide shows how clueless you are.

 

want to see the pictures of Iraqis genocided and tortured by your fellow christians?

 

I see, typically, you interpret history to suit your agenda. No surprises there.

And typically, the sarcasm escapes you (have you noticed the quotation markes around the phrase by any chance? methinks not).

 

It is only the rules of the forum that prevent me from freely express my opinion about your intellectual abilities.

 

48.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 01:22 am

 

Quoting Melek74

 

 

It is only the rules of the forum that prevent me from freely express my opinion about your intellectual abilities.

 

 

 

you can always pm me. I`m looking forward to mark you spam <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 



Edited (9/5/2009) by mhsn supertitiz

49.       Melek74
1506 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 01:26 am

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

 

you can always pm me. I`m looking forward to mark you spam <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

 

Don´t flatter yourself with the idea of getting a pm from me darling.

 

 

50.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 01:30 am

 

Quoting Melek74

 

 

Don´t flatter yourself with the idea of getting a pm from me darling.

 

 

 

no just the marking you spam part turns me on. Razz it would be hot if there was also a high kick button next to spam.

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