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1.       Meriem
98 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 06:16 pm

2.       kazpol
99 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 06:18 pm

Quoting Meriem:

The women we are waiting for the "polite turkish men".


yes, a very good topic! thanks meriem!
polite and turkish is a very good definition mixture! like it!

3.       Kadir37
0 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 06:22 pm

4.       sanja_isyankar
457 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 06:23 pm

i want to say something....ehemm....i dont have rules like ramayan but guy must be smart and funny....

5.       Kadir37
0 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 06:26 pm

6.       kazpol
99 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 06:36 pm

mltm, where r u?
ur viewpoint would certainly be interesting.
waiting

7.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 06:37 pm


8.       sanja_isyankar
457 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 06:44 pm

Quoting Kadir37:



ooohh thank u Kadir its very nice....do u want to say something about this topic?????

9.       shomath
13 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 06:48 pm

Quoting sanja_isyankar:

Quoting Kadir37:



ooohh thank u Kadir its very nice....do u want to say something about this topic?????

sanja i can catch you in every topic..hehe..anyway it seems an intersting topic...having a smart and funny besides respectful man is a nice idea..

10.       Kadir37
0 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 06:51 pm

11.       shomath
13 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 07:01 pm

Quoting Kadir37:

Ladies first.

yup..always ladies first..but it's not applied nowadays..i think

12.       sanja_isyankar
457 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 07:32 pm

Kadir,
dont send flowers anymore...where is my baklava???

13.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 07:38 pm

Quoting sanja_isyankar:

Kadir,
dont send flowers anymore...where is my baklava???


ahahaha
we turkish say ;
Kalbe giden yok boğazdan geçer..
That's trueee as we see..

14.       Kadir37
0 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 07:42 pm

15.       sanja_isyankar
457 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 07:49 pm

Quote:


Here is your baklava & sarma with ayran:









yummyyyyy.....

16.       Meriem
98 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 07:50 pm


17.       mltm
3690 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 07:50 pm

Are we going to say if turkish men in general are polite, or what a turkish man do in order to be polite?
For politenes, it's known that French men are polite, but I'm not sure of it either.
And politeness is a very delicate thing, if you do it too much, it looks very ugly and repulsive to me. The formalities are necessary but if you're a polite person whatever you do will look polite. If you're a bear in fact, you cannot hide it from outside.
But to me a polite man shouldn't use rude words, shouldn't eat with his hands , shouldn't have you wait, shouldn't forget your important days, should know buying flowers from time to time, should dress clean and well, should at least offer paying the bill, should ask you where you'd like to go etc.

18.       Kadir37
0 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 07:52 pm

19.       Kadir37
0 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 07:56 pm

20.       sanja_isyankar
457 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 08:04 pm

Quote:



Wehre are the rules for polite turkish men??

May be the red roses means: Polite turkish men gives flowers to ladies

anyway... i'm waiting for the rules.

Meryem

P.D. Where is Ramayan and Caliptrix comments???



i think that girls must say rules in this topic....
what u expect from man...we want to hear ur rules and guys can tell us just they own opinion about that....

21.       Lyndie
968 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 10:57 pm

The King of cool has just logged on. İ am sure that he is the perfect person to enlighten us as to the Rules for polite turkish men. As no doubt epitomised by Alph himself. Come on Alpha tell us please.

22.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 11:38 pm

Quoting Meriem:



P.D. Where is Ramayan and Caliptrix comments???



A normal Turkish man is umbilical and some bald. Moustache is something prefferred. It is not important being smart or not, but must not patient for everything. What else? lol lol

23.       SANRI
22 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 11:42 pm

Quoting caliptrix:

Quoting Meriem:



P.D. Where is Ramayan and Caliptrix comments???



A normal Turkish man is umbilical and some bald. Moustache is something prefferred. It is not important being smart or not, but must not patient for everything. What else? lol lol

they can spend a hole day maaaaaad when their football team looses hahaha

24.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 11:47 pm

Quoting SANRI:

they can spend a hole day maaaaaad when their football team looses hahaha



Bingo! i forgot this. lol

25.       Etty
137 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 11:53 pm

My Turkish 'man' is soooo.. polite he insists on thanking ME when he lights MY cigarette, because 'I waited for him to light it'!!!

26.       SANRI
22 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 11:57 pm

Quoting Etty:

My Turkish 'man' is soooo.. polite he insists on thanking ME when he lights MY cigarette, because 'I waited for him to light it'!!!

so sweet

27.       Joey
0 posts
 28 Apr 2006 Fri 11:58 pm

Quoting sanja_isyankar:

i want to say something....ehemm....i dont have rules like ramayan but guy must be smart and funny....


I think ramayan qualifies on both counts

28.       sanja_isyankar
457 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 12:57 am

Quote:

Quote:

they can spend a hole day maaaaaad when their football team looses hahaha



sometimes im doing that too...
sorry girls...but its football,u know.....

29.       SANRI
22 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:02 am

Quote:

Quote:

Quoting sanja_isyankar:

they can spend a hole day maaaaaad when their football team looses hahaha



sometimes im doing that too...
sorry girls...but its football,u know.....



maybe u r turkish

30.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:05 am

Quote:

Quote:

Quoting SANRI:

Quoting sanja_isyankar:

they can spend a hole day maaaaaad when their football team looses hahaha



sometimes im doing that too...
sorry girls...but its football,u know.....



maybe u r turkish



Turkish girls are not much interested in football...

31.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:17 am

Quoting Kadir37:

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen;
Do you know what I will say about the rules for polite turkish men?



Nope Kadir we dont know about what you will say..
where is the link or figures about your comment..??
we really look forward to see it...

32.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:29 am

i can feel as my link or figure on its way...
cmon kadir i am dying coz of curiosity here

33.       SANRI
22 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:33 am

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:



sometimes im doing that too...
sorry girls...but its football,u know.....



maybe u r turkish



Turkish girls are not much interested in football...

I LOVE NURI SAHIN hahaha

34.       Meriem
98 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:38 am

35.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:38 am

A polite man should ask from time to time how you are doing.. and if you are in a bad mood and say "I better go" he should try to make you stay with him, because by saying 'i better go', you actually want to get the following answer 'oh no darling, please stay and tell me what's on your mind'
A polite man tehrefore must learn inverse-psychology

He should also hold the door for you, offer to hold the bags while shopping, offering to pay the bill..

It's not about DOING those, it's not about the fact he holds your heavy shoppingbags or pays a high bill when goin gout. It's about the fact he thínks of it to offer you, and as a polite woman you will sometimes happily take the offer, sometimes turn it down and do it yourself.

I don't think there exists a polite man without a polite woman in a happy relationship. So i think the only necessary for getting a polite man is being a polite woman yourself

"Wie goed doet, goed ontmoet"
(The one who does well, will meet well)

36.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:42 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

A polite man should ask from time to time how you are doing.. and if you are in a bad mood and say "I better go" he should try to make you stay with him, because by saying 'i better go', you actually want to get the following answer 'oh no darling, please stay and tell me what's on your mind'
A polite man tehrefore must learn inverse-psychology

He should also hold the door for you, offer to hold the bags while shopping, offering to pay the bill..

It's not about DOING those, it's not about the fact he holds your heavy shoppingbags or pays a high bill when goin gout. It's about the fact he thínks of it to offer you, and as a polite woman you will sometimes happily take the offer, sometimes turn it down and do it yourself.

I don't think there exists a polite man without a polite woman in a happy relationship. So i think the only necessary for getting a polite man is being a polite woman yourself

"Wie goed doet, goed ontmoet"
(The one who does well, will meet well)



its so polite of you to teach us whats being polite...
and good point... you wanted to tell what comes around just goes around... or sth like that... as you expect politeness you shouldnt be that selfish to give some eh

37.       Meriem
98 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:44 am

38.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:52 am

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quoting Meriem:



maybe u r turkish



Turkish girls are not much interested in football...



I like foot baaall!!

Galastasary lost again?? ooh nooooooo!!

I'm sorry.



i guess Galatasaray will play tonight (for turkish time zone) so worry not...

but the point is.. Football is a very big company world wide... Italian, British and Spanish for example... and south america... we just care about football...

39.       sanja_isyankar
457 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:53 am

Quote:



I like foot baaall!!

Galastasary lost again?? ooh nooooooo!!

I'm sorry.




oofff ya.....

40.       Meriem
98 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:56 am

41.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:58 am

Quoting Meriem:

Quoting sanja_isyankar:


i think that girls must say rules in this topic....
what u expect from man...we want to hear ur rules and guys can tell us just they own opinion about that....



ok.. My polite man:
1.- He must be say: lüften ve tessekur ederim. Each time he ask something.
2.- He must help his mother and women in family and of course girlfriend.
3.- He never will say bad words.
4.- He must help old people (example, sometimes the old people want a place in bus, but the young people don't leave the place)
5.- Never say lies or promises wich not will do.

That's all!



to be frank, i want to ask sth... as you have some rules and you want them to play game within its rules... where is feeling relax and free... and showing own feelings??

42.       Aenigma
0 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 02:04 am

Are we talking about what is polite here, or what you all look for in a man?!!! In my opinion, being polite is about not causing offence or distress to anyone.

As for the "rules" .. for example, men being expected to open doors, I think they are very sweet, but we cannot expect men to treat us this way if, at the same time, we are demanding to be treated as equals It is a lovely, but outdated custom.

43.       Joey
0 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 02:15 am

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Quoting Meriem:



maybe u r turkish



Turkish girls are not much interested in football...



I like foot baaall!!

Galastasary lost again?? ooh nooooooo!!

I'm sorry.



i guess Galatasaray will play tonight (for turkish time zone) so worry not...

but the point is.. Football is a very big company world wide... Italian, British and Spanish for example... and south america... we just care about football...


"football is not a matter of life or death it is far more important than that" Bill Shankly

44.       darkangels_fury
7 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 02:35 am

i don't like football, only soccer. and the whole polite turkish man thing.
I guess.. to me a polite turkish man would be one that loves u for u, not how popular u r or how good u r at certain things or how pretty u r.
They'd tell u they love u and mean it. They wouldn't hurt u on purpose or toy with ur emotions.
They'd remind u from time to time how much they love u and buy u roses or whatever flower is ur favourite.
They'd help u with things around the house like cleaning or helping u do the dishes each night.
They wouldn't sit on the couch all day and watch TV.
They'd ask u how ur day was or if there is anything wrong and if there was they should listen and help u sort out ur problem.
They would say please and thank you if you did something for them.

Anyway those r just some of my views on polite turkish men.

45.       Aenigma
0 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 10:19 am

Quoting darkangels_fury:



But is that being polite? Isn't that something which should come naturally if you love someone? Again, I think you are talking about an "Ideal Turkish Boyfriend" not about being polite?

46.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 12:34 pm

Quoting Aenigma:

Quoting darkangels_fury:



But is that being polite? Isn't that something which should come naturally if you love someone? Again, I think you are talking about an "Ideal Turkish Boyfriend" not about being polite?



Yes i think so. And i quite agree with the fact that it comes naturally when you love someone. Because:
You must respect someone in order to be able to love that person. If you respect someone, you will treat him/her with love and dignity. Doesn't that equal being polite?

And to be honest. I think youth that doesn't stand up for elder people in the bus isn't worth ****..

47.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 12:40 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:


and good point... you wanted to tell what comes around just goes around... or sth like that... as you expect politeness you shouldnt be that selfish to give some eh



Hehe yep indeed, that's what i tried to say. And that brings me to the point what Aenigma said as well:

Quoting Aenigma:

As for the "rules" .. for example, men being expected to open doors, I think they are very sweet, but we cannot expect men to treat us this way if, at the same time, we are demanding to be treated as equals It is a lovely, but outdated custom.



Hmm it is true that these are quite contradictional. On one hand 'we' expect them to open doors for us, on the other hand we want to be treated as equals. But here is my point: if he opens the door for you, does that make you un-equal to each other? Maybe, if he always is the one doing things for you. But won't you be the one to offer to make tea when you get home after a tiring day of home-shopping, after he has opened the door for you?

I think the whole point in this discussion is giving and taking in a healthy balance (OMG i sooo sound like those awful healthy trend-magazines!).

48.       hanan
197 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:16 pm

Quoting Meriem:

Quoting sanja_isyankar:


i think that girls must say rules in this topic....
what u expect from man...we want to hear ur rules and guys can tell us just they own opinion about that....



ok.. My polite man:
1.- He must be say: lüften ve tessekur ederim. Each time he ask something.
2.- He must help his mother and women in family and of course girlfriend.
3.- He never will say bad words.
4.- He must help old people (example, sometimes the old people want a place in bus, but the young people don't leave the place)
5.- Never say lies or promises wich not will do.
That's all!


for me and simply a man is polite when he is just the man that he is without trying to be someone that he is not, so there is no need to say lüften ve tessekur ederim. Each time he ask something, or hold things for or open me the door coz we r in love and should be like one person so i think the most important thing is to love me deeply and be honest with me and with himself and have a good heart and ofcourse like FOOTBALL (real madrid and fenerbahce).
have a nice day all.

49.       hanan
197 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 01:34 pm

Quoting Kadir37:

Quoting sanja_isyankar:

Kadir,
dont send flowers anymore...where is my baklava???


Here is your baklava & sarma with ayran:






kadir i am really hungry now is there any home delivery , i live so near i live in libya.

50.       Kadir37
0 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 03:11 pm

51.       sanja_isyankar
457 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 03:17 pm

Quoting Kadir37:

Quoting hanan:

Quoting Kadir37:


kadir i am really hungry now is there any home delivery , i live so near i live in libya.


You live so near really, but you come here to eat baklava, eve teslim yok.



lol.. ....
heyyy dont worry hanan i will eat baklava for u...

52.       Kadir37
0 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 03:19 pm

53.       Aenigma
0 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 05:37 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:


Hmm it is true that these are quite contradictional. On one hand 'we' expect them to open doors for us, on the other hand we want to be treated as equals. But here is my point: if he opens the door for you, does that make you un-equal to each other? Maybe, if he always is the one doing things for you. But won't you be the one to offer to make tea when you get home after a tiring day of home-shopping, after he has opened the door for you?

I think the whole point in this discussion is giving and taking in a healthy balance (OMG i sooo sound like those awful healthy trend-magazines!).



Ooo Deli_Kizin, our wise Dutch classmate , you always make me see a good point that I missed! Yes, of course you are right, I can see that. All of it (including sounding like a healthy trend-magazine !!!) Hey! Maybe you could have your own chat-show!! You could be the next Oprah - just think of all that money . (can I be your PA?)
BTW - went to Netherlands for the first time last month - LOVED IT! sorry - a bit off-topic, but no more than baklava

54.       Kadir37
0 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 05:58 pm

55.       Meriem
98 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 06:26 pm

56.       Kadir37
0 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 06:39 pm

57.       ramayan
2633 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 08:44 pm

lol

58.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 09:51 pm

be yourself is all that you can do...

59.       Kadir37
0 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 10:26 pm

60.       Kadir37
0 posts
 29 Apr 2006 Sat 10:42 pm

61.       sophie
2712 posts
 30 Apr 2006 Sun 01:24 pm

Quoting Kadir37:

• Always open her car door for her. She will expect you to and if you don't she may hold it against you.
• When at a restaurant always pull her chair out for her when you get to your table.
• Always help her put her coat on. Before you help her always say, 'Here, let me help you with your coat.'
• When walking with a woman on the sidewalk, always walk with you being closest to the street. This is to protect her from any traffic that may wander off the road.
• If she smokes, always light her cigarette for her.



Well, if anyone does all the above to me, he has NO CHANCE of a second date. I m not disabled for God's sake! As for the cigarette lighting, oh it drives me crazy when it happens more than once.
But if we "click" with the guy, then I d never say no to a cigarette lighted from him, in his own lips and offered to me afterwards

62.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 30 Apr 2006 Sun 01:28 pm

Quoting Kadir37:

How to Impress a Woman



yes kadir linked us to the world again
thank you kadir for your effort and information technologies you spend on us...
everybody vote for kadir

63.       Aenigma
0 posts
 30 Apr 2006 Sun 01:30 pm

After what Sophie ????? Dinner?

64.       sophie
2712 posts
 30 Apr 2006 Sun 01:41 pm

Quoting Aenigma:

After what Sophie ????? Dinner?



After... dinner, yes! But it's not appropriate to say here what the main dish and the dessert is

65.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 30 Apr 2006 Sun 03:12 pm

Quoting Aenigma:


Ooo Deli_Kizin, our wise Dutch classmate , you always make me see a good point that I missed! Yes, of course you are right, I can see that. All of it (including sounding like a healthy trend-magazine !!!) Hey! Maybe you could have your own chat-show!! You could be the next Oprah - just think of all that money . (can I be your PA?)
BTW - went to Netherlands for the first time last month - LOVED IT! sorry - a bit off-topic, but no more than baklava




Hehe thanks Yeah you can be my PA, because first you have to miss a point before i can talk about the missing point

Awww where did you go? PM me before we go too much off topic hehe

66.       libralady
5152 posts
 30 Apr 2006 Sun 10:19 pm

I'm with Sophie on this one! Too much politeness can be a turn off!! But for me politeness means:

1) Saying please and thankyou
2) Opening the door for you
3) Not swearing or being obnoctious
4) Not forgetting what you drink
5) Commenting on your appearance (in a favourable way of couse!)
6) Not oggling other women when you are out together
7) Not standing with his back to you when in a group of people

In a nutshell for me politeness is just respect for another human being and it works both ways

67.       janissary
0 posts
 30 Apr 2006 Sun 10:52 pm

Quoting libralady:

I'm with Sophie on this one! Too much politeness can be a turn off!! But for me politeness means:

1) Saying please and thankyou
2) Opening the door for you
3) Not swearing or being obnoctious
4) Not forgetting what you drink
5) Commenting on your appearance (in a favourable way of couse!)
6) Not oggling other women when you are out together
7) Not standing with his back to you when in a group of people

In a nutshell for me politeness is just respect for another human being and it works both ways



thank you libralady,, I took note. THANK YOU( Rule 1)

68.       ramayan
2633 posts
 30 Apr 2006 Sun 11:32 pm

Quoting sophie:

Quoting Aenigma:

After what Sophie ????? Dinner?



After... dinner, yes! But it's not appropriate to say here what the main dish and the dessert is



menemen and aşure? hahaha

69.       sophie
2712 posts
 01 May 2006 Mon 01:18 am

Quoting ramayan:

Quoting sophie:

Quoting Aenigma:

After what Sophie ????? Dinner?



After... dinner, yes! But it's not appropriate to say here what the main dish and the dessert is



menemen and aşure? hahaha



Foxy you! You got it!

70.       vanja
18 posts
 01 May 2006 Mon 01:28 am

Quote:



After... dinner, yes! But it's not appropriate to say here what the main dish and the dessert is



dessert... go girl....

71.       sophie
2712 posts
 01 May 2006 Mon 01:32 am

Quote:

Quoting vanja:



After... dinner, yes! But it's not appropriate to say here what the main dish and the dessert is



dessert... go girl....



72.       ramayan
2633 posts
 01 May 2006 Mon 01:09 pm

Quote:

sophie


as u see i always get

73.       vanja
18 posts
 01 May 2006 Mon 01:19 pm

Quote:


as u see i always get



74.       ramayan
2633 posts
 01 May 2006 Mon 01:26 pm

Quote:

vanja



ummm lady ...ummm..u hurt me ...

75.       vanja
18 posts
 01 May 2006 Mon 03:36 pm

Quote:



ummm lady ...ummm..u hurt me ...




oohhhh baby sorry......

76.       RICK
96 posts
 01 May 2006 Mon 04:07 pm

Turkish men have the characteristics of Casanova Girls know what i mean

77.       kazpol
99 posts
 01 May 2006 Mon 05:11 pm

Quoting RICK:

Turkish men have the characteristics of Casanova Girls know what i mean


rick, why r u so much right?

78.       goner
506 posts
 02 May 2006 Tue 02:02 am

Quoting RICK:

Turkish men have the characteristics of Casanova Girls know what i mean



hahahahhaaa

79.       Meriem
98 posts
 02 May 2006 Tue 04:01 am

80.       RICK
96 posts
 02 May 2006 Tue 11:30 am

Quoting Meriem:

Quoting RICK:

Turkish men have the characteristics of Casanova Girls know what i mean



Oooh nooo!

The Casanova are liers, they have a lot of women, and they broke the woman's heart.. then they can't be polite men.

well.. i think that.

so you know wrong about casanova men or turkish casanovas are different

81.       sanja_isyankar
457 posts
 02 May 2006 Tue 12:46 pm

Quote:

Quote:


so you know wrong about casanova men or turkish casanovas are different



can u explain that ,or maybe u can undeceive us in that "casanova"????

82.       ramayan
2633 posts
 02 May 2006 Tue 03:14 pm

i bet turkish ones are different hahaha

83.       Meriem
98 posts
 03 May 2006 Wed 01:43 am



84.       Meriem
98 posts
 03 May 2006 Wed 01:47 am

85.       sanja_isyankar
457 posts
 03 May 2006 Wed 02:40 am

Quote:


Merhaba Sanja.

Look, in my country a "cassanova" are the men who likes to court the girls, being kindly, giving gifts, all these things, you know, then they leave the girls for other new woman, each one is like a trophy by the cassanova.

You understand me Sanja?



i agree with u Meriem...
but they have what women need....
and they r for one night not for all ur life....

86.       sanja_isyankar
457 posts
 03 May 2006 Wed 02:55 am

A “Casanova” is a flamboyant and irresponsible male lover...

87.       Boop
785 posts
 04 May 2006 Thu 10:13 am

Quoting Joey:

Quoting sanja_isyankar:

i want to say something....ehemm....i dont have rules like ramayan but guy must be smart and funny....


I think ramayan qualifies on both counts



+1

88.       ramayan
2633 posts
 04 May 2006 Thu 10:15 am

-2

89.       sanja_isyankar
457 posts
 04 May 2006 Thu 01:12 pm

Quote:

Quote:


I think ramayan qualifies on both counts



+1



90.       goner
506 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 03:05 am

Quoting ramayan:

-2




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