I think that any more personal remarks between Paramedic and barba mama should be deleted.Barba mama should be free to express her sympathy without a personal attack on how she does it.

actually you are wrong there this whole site is personal attacks about comments made

What a waste of a young and beautiful woman´s life! Freedom fighters my harris, the fact that generation after generation of Kurds have entered Turkey and are now demanding rights has nothing to do with it?

In the meantime people young gifted, old and wise are dying for this ´freedom´ load of bollocks and all Pkk chat should be banned from these boards.

It´s like Brits arguing with the IRA pointless,violent and no final resolution in sight, waste of time ´Freedom fighters my arse´.

Kurds are not entering anywhere.. They have been living almost in the same region for more than we remember.. They were there when the Turks came into Anatolia..

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One more lives taken by this continuing war

Her name was Pinar

She was 22

And a bride for 40 days

She died in a pointless PKK atack.

Her death would not be a benefit to kurdis people nor their freedom struggle

Wars going on so long, making the fighing parties go crazy in the end, they get possed by the  aimless, pointless desire to kill and then they kill..

For us, the only remaining is to feel sorry behind those young people
We feel sorry for Ceylan who torn into peices by a rocket in a small village, Diren who died under a armoured vehicle, Pinar who got killed by a peice of shrapnel while sitting on her balcony..
We are getting angry, getting sorrowful, screaming, begging as ´finish this war´
Our voice is dying away in an isolated darkness like the place Pinar got killed, and we are unable our voice to be heard, We are unable to explain killing will not work, we are unable to stop this war
Savagery of fighting parts look like eachother
The war wrapping up both parties and make them similar

Ceylan is dying, Pinar is dying, killers are telling us how right they are to kill..
There is no right reason for killing anymore, there are no heros of wars, there are only the murderers of this war and their victims
And also a never ending sorrow..

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The translation of the last bit of Ahmet Altan´s column..

That is a different matter..

But saying that ´Kurds have entered Turkey generation after generation´ is  quite wrong as they are the natives of that land when you compare them to us/Turks.

Now you have been a historian?

How can you express certain statements about the years before 1071.

If you do not have a proof, you are a liar.

dont push it sonunda nothing was said other than the remark was lame I think you better back off, disagreeing with what is written is not a personal attack

Why is it different matter? you say that Kurdish people have been there as ´natives´ then Turks have been there as ´natives´ no?

It is not a different matter, it points at the whole reason the PKK exist. If Turks and Kurds have lived together harmoniously since time began why are the even in existence? What´s the nature and the goal of their fight?