Regarding Diyarbakır Kurds were replaced to there before 1071 by Arabs to provide the domination of Islam, those are Mervanis and Sheddanis, and its right they were Kurds but in those lands as you said Assyrians and Armenians were living, very important point, Kurds were not majority, only the leaders are from Kurds, those were the puppet states established by Arabs. It is like Memluk state which located in Egypt, only the leaders were Turks. It does not mean then Egypt is the land of Turks because of Memluks and it does not mean South-East Anatolia is the land of Kurds because of Mervanis simply.

Off..

You are getting boring really..

Start with Selim Deringil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selim_Deringil

You will find many historians saying the same thing..

My column

starts with :

Lets start this part 2 with some basic history:


As we all know, We, Turks, came from central Asia to Anatolia. And when we came the population was mainly Greek, Armenians, Kurds, Arabs, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Jews etc..Mainly, Armenians + Kurds were in the east and Greek population was around the shores of Black sea, Aegean sea and in Istanbul. Of course all those cultures were mixed up throughout history.

Big fallacy to say, south-eastern Anatolia is the land of Kurds. Armenians, Romans and Assyrians have right to say this but Kurds not. In history, there is not a trace of Kurdish culture, Kurdish monument defined in this area. The existence of Kurds in south-east Anatolia starts with Sultan Selim, before then the whole area was called Turcomania, in other words land of Turkmens. The land of Kurds were between the north-east of today´s Iraq and north-west of today´s Iran, up to south of Van lake, not more, but sout east of Anatolia never been the land of Kurds.

Here are some ethnic conflicts;

Turk - Kurt: USA and Israel wants to control Turkey´s foreign policy.

Hungarian - Romanian: USA is located in Romania as the most important partner in the Black Sea

Bosnian-Serbian-Albenian: USA and Germany was in a serious struggle and some parts efficiency places are shared.

Tutsi-Hutu: Their feudal leaders wanted them to fight. Now Congo´s Gold and diamonds are owned by Israel. Israel is one of the most significant seller of jewellery

Uzbek - Kyrgyz: USA and Russia is in a efficiency struggle. They both have bases.

The list can be enlarged.

So whoever tries to deepen ethnic conflicts are just working for super powers sakes. The fighters are always the losers. Just the superpowers wins at the end of these conflicts.

Taliban was used and gunned by the USA against Russia but just after the cold war ends they have been USA´s enemy.

PKK will lose too. Because they own their involvement to other countries support.

We are living in peace with Kurds for a thousand years. PKK is the enemies of Kurds and Turks. They just want to create an ethnic conflict.

Offf puff aghhh oghhh why dont you talk like a real man?

That does not make any sense. You give me a persons link just to try to support you silly statements. Where does he tell that? What is the basis of his ideas?

One more info; according to results of census of population in 1927, Kurds were 8% of the population which approximately 1 million. Now they are nearly 18%, very good population of a race which claimed to be assimilated and oppressed. Till 1960´s the cities as we call Kurdish like Van,Diyarbakır, Ağrı, Bitlis the populationf of Turks 60%, interesting, huh?

Additionally Diyarbakir´s Bismil was established by the Basmil tribe of Turkmens. The center of Diyarbakır was a Turkish speaking city till 60´s, many important writers, artists were from there, and majority was Turks but today in center of Diyarbakır Turkish population is just 10%. It seems Turks very much assimilated...

Perhaps Alameda was alluding to the "hate and chaos" that appears to have developed on this thread. 

Of course, historians may be biased too.

The arguments here descend into personal issues on all sides and this detracts from what could otherwise be an informative debate and that , IMO, disrespects the sad events that take place in Turkey, whether it be the imprisonment of children, "honour" killings, terrorist attacks and more.

There are a lot of Wikipedia references in your columns and I do understand that they are there to inform TC members of Turkey´s history but I would prefer more original historical links, rather than Wiki links, simply because I don´t want to spend time clicking on the many links given in the Wiki links . . . it´s like a maze in there!  I also noticed that one of the references in your column was actually being disputed on the Wikipedia site (even there, they have their differences )

I´m not criticising you personally for using Wiki, it´s a very useful tool, but it, along with mountains of other documentation out there on the Armenian/Kurdish/Turkish issues hotly debated here, is not immune to bias.  We all tend to choose the literature we believe in order to "prove" our points.

It´s interesting to note what Wiki has to say:

The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Questionable_sources

I guess we, as readers of the many debates here, have to make up our minds about what we think may be the truth, based on the information presented. 

But in the end, hot or not, the debates are informative, both about the history of Turkey and the feelings that still exist today.

So, insults aside, I would like to thank everyone who contributes, but please move it to another thread.

I am sure Alameda will be happy to inform us about what she ment.

But if she means ´hate and chaos in this thread´, I would have said the same thing as for some people, anything, even a horrible killing might be a reason to show their racism and hatred towards some people in my country unfortunately..

We, mongolic turks of central asia will not receive you, because you are europeans.

Deport yourselves to ... hmmm ... to ... hmmm . .. there where you are!