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120.       stumpy
638 posts
 04 Nov 2010 Thu 10:37 pm

Quote:alameda

 I think you are confused regarding copyright, trademark and patents.

For Elvis I am not confusing trademark and copyright, Elvis is a trademarked brand and the EPE, Elvis Presley Estate is the owner of the trademark and the even if there is no official copyrights on my relatives photos, if you are the legal detainee of the negative and original photo it is automaticly covered by the copyright act and is covered for 50 years after your death and I have yet to invent something that needs to be covered by a patent {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

121.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 04 Nov 2010 Thu 10:49 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

My opinion is that though you can be considered a part of the "Everyone" set, you are hardly qualified to express opinions about anyone.

How about that?

 

 

I can agree I´m not qualified to express opinion about anyone, and still I reserve the right to do so. We always judge people against our values, principles and ethics. Why shouldn´t I voice my personal opinion?

 

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122.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 04 Nov 2010 Thu 10:58 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

I can agree I´m not qualified to express opinion about anyone, and still I reserve the right to do so. We always judge people against our values, principles and ethics. Why shouldn´t I voice my personal opinion?

 

 

What in the world makes someone qualified to have and opinion?  As far as I know DD is not claiming to be an expert but only expressing her personal opinion.   

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123.       oeince
582 posts
 04 Nov 2010 Thu 11:16 pm

And now lastfm is gone!

This is madness!

Somebody stop the judges!

 

124.       oeince
582 posts
 04 Nov 2010 Thu 11:26 pm

One more ridiculous conflict!

Brutuss´ war in the opposition party!

Biggest opposition party is devided! I sometimes feel like i live in Mozambique!

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=crisis-continues-in-chp-2010-11-04

125.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 03:04 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

I can agree I´m not qualified to express opinion about anyone, and still I reserve the right to do so. We always judge people against our values, principles and ethics. Why shouldn´t I voice my personal opinion?

 

One´s right to express his/her opinions does not mean a freedom to utter everything that happens to pop into her/his mind.

That freedom is the freedom to chose in his/her own mind, among everything she/he can say, only those that have some pragmatic value for the good of the society in general.

 

126.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 09:18 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

One´s right to express his/her opinions does not mean a freedom to utter everything that happens to pop into her/his mind.

That freedom is the freedom to chose in his/her own mind, among everything she/he can say, only those that have some pragmatic value for the good of the society in general.

 

 

Of course! I never claimed otherwise! What I argued against was making some people "undiscussable."  I don´t agree with freedom to insult anybody, living or dead. I believe we have the right to pass our judgement basing on facts and no government should be guilty of hiding inconvenient materials

I gave the example of Ataturk as it´s Turkish class. His revolution formed Turkey as it is. Now you´re happy he way the way he was. Back in the day, the people that he ordered to murder because they had a different idea of what a country should look like, were in all probability not that happy. Notice, I don´t argue that what he did was wrong or that he shouldn´t have done it. I´m just ssaying that the transformation caused a lot of blodshed and he was guilty of it. The old saying that "history does not judge the winners" proves right again

127.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 11:19 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

Of course! I never claimed otherwise! What I argued against was making some people "undiscussable."  I don´t agree with freedom to insult anybody, living or dead. I believe we have the right to pass our judgement basing on facts and no government should be guilty of hiding inconvenient materials

I gave the example of Ataturk as it´s Turkish class. His revolution formed Turkey as it is. Now you´re happy he way the way he was. Back in the day, the people that he ordered to murder because they had a different idea of what a country should look like, were in all probability not that happy. Notice, I don´t argue that what he did was wrong or that he shouldn´t have done it. I´m just ssaying that the transformation caused a lot of blodshed and he was guilty of it. The old saying that "history does not judge the winners" proves right again

That, my friend, is the life of a revolutionist. He was way ahead of his companions, who believed they had different or better opinions.

Even a 100 years after him, I look back now and can not find anyone else that Turks could have alternatively followed and done better, under those circumstances.

If you have sufficient command of history, discuss better options that you think Turks had at the time. Judgements are free, its the insults I object.

What inconvenient material do you think Turkish Government is hiding?

 



Edited (11/5/2010) by AlphaF
Edited (11/5/2010) by AlphaF

128.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 03:16 pm

Oh, I am in a way glad Ataturk did what he did. That´s at least one country saved from the Islamic rule However, I am not going to pretend it makes him a saviour of Turkey. He´s responsible for many deaths and the guilt of the people he murdered was that they had a different idea of a country. He´s actually quite similar to Peter The Great of Russia - he modernised Russia the same way Ataturk modernised Turkey but a long time before him.   Ataturk´s no different form other tyrants like Hitler - the difference is that Ataturk´s influence was territorially smaller and that Hitler lost. If he hadn´t I imagine Germany would have a similar attitude to him like Turkey does to Ataturk. Ataturk´s job was easier because of the location of Turkey.

What documents do I mean, the ones concerning his prvate life. I´ve already wrote about his wife´s diaries and letters.

129.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 04:43 pm

Who did you ask or force you to pretend to accept him as saviour of TR?  But do not worry millions of Turkish people see him as saviour and respect what he did for the people of TR, I guess no one forced them. And these people do know their history better than a Pole who consider Atatürk equal to Hitler{#emotions_dlg.lol} . Maybe they have heard or learned from their ancestors. Now a simple gift for you about history to enhance your knowledge about the difference between Atatürk and Hitler dear Smile.  As far as I know like millions of other Turks, Atatürk was fighting against tyrants who occupied his country, killing his countrymen, raping their wives and daughters, he was defencing, was not attacking to other countries to exploit. Were we decieved for a century? Were we lied for years? What a pity, just learned them from Pole 100 years later...

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

130.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 06:14 pm

What documents do I mean, the ones concerning his private life. I´ve already wrote about his wife´s diaries and letters.

Daydreamer

 

Turkish government could hardly have been hiding those documents successfully, if even you had a chance to get a peek at them, no? 

 

PS:   I do not think the lady he chose to marry was suitable for him, as a wife. Yet, I have no doubt that she was a full Lady in all other aspects. She outlived Ataturk by many years; she has not uttered nor written a single word against her former husband till the end of her life.



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