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40.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 16 Oct 2010 Sat 01:01 am

 

Quoting vineyards

TDK dictionary sites a Persian root word gavur and an Arabic one for kafir. The similarity between these two words may indicate it being a loan word for either of these two languages. ............

 

 

Bazi konularda bilgiyi sozlukten edinmek insani yaniltabilir, boyle durumlarda - desteksiz atmak yerine - biraz daha mutevazi olmak faydalidir.

Blasphemy in Islam

Blasphemy in Islam is irreverent behavior toward holy personages, religious artifacts, customs, and beliefs that Muslims respect.

Yukarida gorecegin gibi Islamda "blashemy" dine karsi olmakla degil, Islami degerlere karsi olmakla ilgili bir gunahtir. Kafir sozcugu ise tanrinin varligini inkar edenleri tarif eder.

Temelde Islam - ve kuran´in ogretisi - Hz Musayi da Hz Isayi da tanrinin peygamberleri olarak kabul eder. Ancak ne Yahudiler, ne de Hristiyanlar Hz Muhammedi peygamber kabul etmediklerinden esasda Islamin cok temel bir olgusunu reddetmekte, dolayisi ile de (hakaret veya degil) GAVUR tanimina girmektedirler. Ancak Islam inancina gore, her iki grup da Islamin tanrisina inandiklarindan (farkli bir tanriya degil) kendilerine KAFIR demek caiz degil, hatta gunahtir.

Gavura, gavur demek sonradan ayip telakki edilmeye baslanmistir. Yazdigin mesaj dogru degil...Bence geri cek.

 

 



Edited (10/16/2010) by AlphaF

41.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Oct 2010 Sat 01:12 am

OK. AlphaF thinks the word blasphemy has a different meaning in the Islamic faith. Since the forum language is English, I have to respond in English. I may be 100% wrong and he may be right. It is up to those who are interested to find out what is right and what is wrong.  The Internet is full of references. You can either do the Waka Waka or Wiki Wiki it is up to you.

For the time being, I include a list of items which are considered acts of blasphemy in Islam. Source: Wikipedia

  • speculating about how Prophet Muhammad would behave if he were alive (Nigeria).[29][30]
  • writing Prophet Muhammad´s name on the walls of a toilet (Pakistan).[37]
  • naming a teddy bear Muhammad (Sudan).[38][39]
  • stating facts such as: Prophet Muhammad´s parents were not Muslims (Pakistan).[40][41]
  • invoking Allah while committing a forbidden act.[8]

[edit]Blasphemy against beliefs and customs

Individuals have been accused of blasphemy or of insulting Islam for:

  • saying Islam is an Arab religion; prayers five times a day are unnecessary; and the Quran is full of lies (Indonesia).[46]
  • finding fault with a belief or a practice which the Muslim community (Ummah) has adopted.[47]
  • finding fault with or cursing apostles, prophets, or angels.[47]
  • using words that Muslims use because the individuals were not Muslims (Malaysia).[25][63][64]
  • praying that Muslims become something else (Indonesia).[65]
  • whistling during prayers (Indonesia).[66]
  • reciting Muslim prayers in a language other than Arabic (Indonesia).[66]
  • being alone with persons of the opposite sex who are not blood relatives.[66]
  • publishing an unofficial translation of the Quran (Afghanistan).[72]
  • watching a film or listening to music (Somalia).[74]
  • wearing make-up on television (Iran).[75]
  • insulting religious scholarship.[8]
  • wearing the clothing of Jews or of Zoroastrians.[8]
  • claiming that forbidden acts are not forbidden.[8]
  • uttering "words of infidelity" (sayings that are forbidden).[8]
  • participating in non-Islamic religious festivals.[8]

[edit]Blasphemy against artifacts

Individuals have been accused of blasphemy or of insulting Islam for:

  • touching a Quran or touching something that has touched a Quran because the individuals were not Muslim (Nigeria).[76][77][78][79]

42.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 16 Oct 2010 Sat 05:12 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Ha! Now we´ve got a proof that whenever the T(equilla) word is spoken, GG appears. You´re like a genie in a tequilla bottle GG lol

 

 Jeanie

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43.       missclimpson
2 posts
 16 Oct 2010 Sat 06:45 am

I guess I hit a nerve. I was only talking about my tolerance of the heat.

 

I live in Minnesota. Feel free to comment on our climate! Those sub-zero days when the wind bites your face. Yummy!

44.       si++
3785 posts
 16 Oct 2010 Sat 10:09 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

"Gavur" means "non-moslem" and differs from "kafir" which means "infidel".

Whether or not an apology is required, after calling a "non-moslem" person, non-moslem is for non-moslems to decide...

PLEASE HELP CREATE A NEW TURKISH WORD TO COLLECTIVELY DESCRIBE PERSONS FAITHFUL TO SOME RELIGION, EXCEPT ISLAM.

ONCE THE NEW WORD IS AGREED UPON, THE WORD "GAVUR" WILL BE PERMANENTLY ERADICATED FROM TURKISH LANGUAGE.

{#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}

 

Gavur is offensive word. Non-muslims in Turkie are offended by this word to be used to describe themselves. Someone of a state minister shouldn´t have used it.

 

That said, I use it (with good intentions of course) more often than "gayr-i muslim" but in closed circles (among family, close friends or people I am comfortable in using the word with). I wouldn´t use it when I am speaking on TV for example.

 

45.       si++
3785 posts
 16 Oct 2010 Sat 10:15 am

Video of Azerbaijani army made fuss in Turkey (video)

October 15, 2010 | 14:59

Starting October 15 morning Turkish users of the Facebook have been actively discussing a video called “Shots of brutal treatment in the Turkish armed forces” demonstrating officers who are beating and insulting soldiers.

The Turkish press also made a fuss, as they initially thought the video depicted Turkish army. In the video Turkic words are heard as well. However, according to another version, the video was shot in the Azerbaijani army, as the portraits of the Aliyevs, father and son, as well as Azerbaijani flag were hung on the walls.

A number of Turkish outlets reported that the video is a provocation by Kurds who are well aware of the fact that it was shot in Azerbaijan. However, they posted it to defame the Turkish army.

The video appeared on the Internet over a year ago, but has recently reached Turkey.

 

source: here

46.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 16 Oct 2010 Sat 11:05 am

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Gavur is offensive word. Non-muslims in Turkie are offended by this word to be used to describe themselves. Someone of a state minister shouldn´t have used it.

 

That said, I use it (with good intentions of course) more often than "gayr-i muslim" but in closed circles (among family, close friends or people I am comfortable in using the word with). I wouldn´t use it when I am speaking on TV for example.

 

 

"Essek" can also be an offensive word, but not when used with reference to a jack ass.

Yahu, siz okudugunuzu anlamiyormusunuz?

 

47.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 16 Oct 2010 Sat 01:01 pm

I´m not fluent enough in Turkish to know whether the word is insulting or not, but, I assume, we might compare it to the word "infidel." Somehow I can´t imagine any public person talking about non-believers as infidels, let alone blasphemers. The thing is public officials, especially in a secular country should best avoid using derogatory terms describing people having a different set of beliefs. Non-Muslim would seem more appropriate as it is quite neutral.

48.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Oct 2010 Sat 01:21 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Gavur is offensive word. Non-muslims in Turkie are offended by this word to be used to describe themselves. Someone of a state minister shouldn´t have used it.

 

That said, I use it (with good intentions of course) more often than "gayr-i muslim" but in closed circles (among family, close friends or people I am comfortable in using the word with). I wouldn´t use it when I am speaking on TV for example.

 

 

+1000

It is vulgar and derogatory. It is quite cheap too!!

A state official using it makes you think what sort of cultural level, what sort of mind set those people, who are running the state, have..

49.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Oct 2010 Sat 01:26 pm

 

Quoting si++

Video of Azerbaijani army made fuss in Turkey (video)

October 15, 2010 | 14:59

Starting October 15 morning Turkish users of the Facebook have been actively discussing a video called “Shots of brutal treatment in the Turkish armed forces” demonstrating officers who are beating and insulting soldiers.

The Turkish press also made a fuss, as they initially thought the video depicted Turkish army. In the video Turkic words are heard as well. However, according to another version, the video was shot in the Azerbaijani army, as the portraits of the Aliyevs, father and son, as well as Azerbaijani flag were hung on the walls.

A number of Turkish outlets reported that the video is a provocation by Kurds who are well aware of the fact that it was shot in Azerbaijan. However, they posted it to defame the Turkish army.

The video appeared on the Internet over a year ago, but has recently reached Turkey.

 

source: here

 

I have seen the video. But I can not understand what´s the fuss about it ..May be it was years ago but I have seen the same treatments when I was in the army.. (apart from the fact that I have seen very similar one -one sergeant slapping the entire team first then kicking them on their shinbone, I have seen much worse than that in the video.Somehow, I still remember sergeants beating a boy because he stole a quarter of a bread loaf when getting his food..He was just hungry, I guess)

And all those were considered as normal..

Somehow I remember the incident ´an officer pulling the pin of a hand granade and giving it to a soldier as a punishment´ a year ago.

 



Edited (10/16/2010) by thehandsom

50.       si++
3785 posts
 16 Oct 2010 Sat 02:57 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

A state official using it makes you think what sort of cultural level, what sort of mind set those people, who are running the state, have..

 

I think there is example of it in the post #10 in this thread.

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