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I lost my belief in Dutch society
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31 May 2006 Wed 03:11 pm |
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Quoting Aenigma:
The reason this group can apply to become a political party is because this country allows EVERYONE freedom to speak their opinions. It does not, however, allow them to do as they wish. If this party becomes legal, they will not be able to change laws or do as they please. In fact, all they will do is highlight themselves to authorities and make it easier for police to identify them and prosecute them.
Why are you so scared of freedom of speech? As I said before, these things need to be discussed and not buried. If they are buried and people pretend they do not exist, it will continue unpunished.
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I didn't look at it from this way. I think it's a very wise and good point of view indeed.
But i just have the nasty feeling that such a party could only be set up in Holland. I wonder if that is in favor of the word 'freedom'.
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31 May 2006 Wed 03:14 pm |
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Quoting kazpol: aenigma, u r so right! whatever u've said is right!
we all r free to say what we want to say, however crime will stay crime. it is so much important to talk about it! we should discuss over such problems in our countries. someone previously has alredy told in 'the old good times' it existed and done in silence in families, we should stop it!
such party isnt a danger itself, coz normal parents wouldnt let their children get harmed thus they wouldnt let the law changed for the support of those parties.
mltm, terrorists r also free to tell their ideas, they actually exist(in most islamic countries) and do their job perfectly, though we dont want them.
most religious ppl hate holland (i know many ppl who curse holland), but i support this country, i dont want holland lose its freedom due to such evil ppl parties. i hope the party will fail reaching its goals.
its pointless to live at all without having freedom. HOLLAND, I SUPPORT U, PLS, DONT LET EVIL OVERCOME UR FREEDOM! |
Well it's good to see you like my country. And a clear discussion of what is going wrong in a country, is always healthy and good. As long as everybody uses his freedom of speech with respect ofcourse 
But mind you: spreading terroristic ideas in Holland is not allowed and actually very illegal. You will get prosecuted for spreading terroristic beliefs and as an imam you can be sent back to your country if you try to convince the children of your ideas during Qur'an lessons.
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31 May 2006 Wed 04:39 pm |
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Freedom of speech is not an uncontrolled liberty to utter anything that comes to your mind; it is the freedom to chose what you will want to say, making intelligent choices among various different possibilities.
When not backed by intelligence, wisdom and good will "freedom of speech" may easily became a cock-up.
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31 May 2006 Wed 04:42 pm |
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31 May 2006 Wed 05:01 pm |
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Aenigma,
That is a grave over simplification of an otherwise very fundamental and serious issue.
Idiots on the other side will then remember their own "freedom to shoot" those they consider bad talkers....
We do have doctors to remove what we think are cancer cells, no?
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31 May 2006 Wed 05:07 pm |
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31 May 2006 Wed 05:18 pm |
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Quoting Aenigma:
Yes, and we had Hitler to remove people he didn't agree with too eh...? |
there r many hitlers around who is trying to remove everything that they dont agree with  hehe
hitler is not alone
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31 May 2006 Wed 05:19 pm |
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Hitler was an idiot...he removed 5 000 000 Jews..
Total death toll in WW2 is 65 000 000..do you ever remember the other 60 000 000? not as often, eh?....Why not?
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31 May 2006 Wed 05:26 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Hitler was an idiot...he removed 5 000 000 Jews..
Total death toll in WW2 is 65 000 000..do you ever remember the other 60 000 000? not as often, eh?....Why not? |
ahh alpha ah..yes dude..in iraq too..50.000 civil killed and same amount are lost...and as u said other 60.000.000 has already forgotten cos others are not so important as the 5.000.000
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31 May 2006 Wed 05:35 pm |
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31 May 2006 Wed 05:49 pm |
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Quoting Aenigma:
Look, this is beside the point. I used Hitler as an example of what happens when you censor freedom of speech. I have not forgotten anyone who has been killed during conflict, I was talking about censorship only. Also why did you assume I was only talking of the extermination of the Jews and not of all the casulties of his war? Apologies if you misunderstood Ramayan and AlphaF. |
honey we were chatting with alphaF its not to accuse u of forgettin others ok? ...nice ..got ur apologize and u r forgiven
hehhe
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