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I lost my belief in Dutch society
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31 May 2006 Wed 05:49 pm |
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Quoting Aenigma:
Look, this is beside the point. I used Hitler as an example of what happens when you censor freedom of speech. I have not forgotten anyone who has been killed during conflict, I was talking about censorship only. Also why did you assume I was only talking of the extermination of the Jews and not of all the casulties of his war? Apologies if you misunderstood Ramayan and AlphaF. |
honey we were chatting with alphaF its not to accuse u of forgettin others ok? ...nice ..got ur apologize and u r forgiven 
hehhe
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31 May 2006 Wed 06:20 pm |
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Come on people!  What are we talking about? It's not about just moral values, it's not one night stands or virginity subject, it's not about porn, it's not even about animal porn!, it's about CHILDPORN! Do you know what this means, can you speak about a freewill of a child about porn? This is not a subject about morals, this is about the damage it will cause in those young people, noone has any right to play with the psychological health of the children in the name of freedom. It won't be maybe your child, but does it make you less responsible for other children? Being civilized isn't a competition of being more free.
Sorry, but this is not toleration, and this is too much for me, and I have no more word. 
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31 May 2006 Wed 06:22 pm |
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Quoting kazpol:
mltm, terrorists r also free to tell their ideas, they actually exist(in most islamic countries) and do their job perfectly, though we dont want them.
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No, they're not free to establish a party. It would be immediately closed.
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31 May 2006 Wed 07:17 pm |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting kazpol:
mltm, terrorists r also free to tell their ideas, they actually exist(in most islamic countries) and do their job perfectly, though we dont want them.
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No, they're not free to establish a party. It would be immediately closed. |
well is it immediately then closed in palestina or afganistan? i know we r talking about holland. terrorists r not allowed to be a political party in holland, as well as paedophilians r not allowed in afganistan.
and pls, dont compare paedophilians to terrorists, paedophilians dont come out and dont shoot anyone oustide or they dont hijack planes tear down the building and buses.
its horrible what they do (i have kids and i know what it means) but pls dont compare, ur comparison is too radical, and i believe (i hope im not wrong) that the government of holland never lets the children get hurt.
thats all.
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31 May 2006 Wed 07:25 pm |
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31 May 2006 Wed 07:29 pm |
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Yes, I know. We're talking about the freespeech of someone in a party who supports childporn claiming that it's up to their freewill. I talked about freewill to tell why he souldnt be let.
I'm not talking about banning his freespeech and punishing him, I'm talking about not rewarding this person by letting him establish a party. He can go on talking for the rest of his life, but shouldn't organise legally.
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31 May 2006 Wed 09:23 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Hitler was an idiot...he removed 5 000 000 Jews..
Total death toll in WW2 is 65 000 000..do you ever remember the other 60 000 000? not as often, eh?....Why not? |
yeah Hitler killed such amount of people but i dont think he is an idiot... actually i dont know who he is so much what he was doing... as he affected world alot he cant be an idiot... dont misunderstood me i dont have a sympathy to hitler but wanted to say sth
about freedom of speech... nothing can be added to what Aenigma said its really wellsaid...
what about freedom of speech in our country... its a good think that ppl can SAY anything they want.. but as we have no tolerance in our characteristic and as we are easy to be directed it will be the worst thing to apply in our country.. i cant imagine what could be...
terrorism doesnt supported legally yet in our country but it has supplies behind some scenes and we had one of these lately in our School...
whatever it is... there is wide amount of people who really pays alot of money to this job - Childporn...
dont you remind the scene on the movie Donnie Darko - that the famous person was found with his archieve of child porn with a fire in his home -
the thing in holland would make them known by society nothing else... i dont think any dutch ppl will support them... if they have some amount.. this will show the sick mind ration nothing else
there is nothing to worry if you ask me
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31 May 2006 Wed 11:41 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting AlphaF: Hitler was an idiot...he removed 5 000 000 Jews..
Total death toll in WW2 is 65 000 000..do you ever remember the other 60 000 000? not as often, eh?....Why not? |
yeah Hitler killed such amount of people but i dont think he is an idiot... actually i dont know who he is so much what he was doing... as he affected world alot he cant be an idiot... dont misunderstood me i dont have a sympathy to hitler but wanted to say sth
about freedom of speech... nothing can be added to what Aenigma said its really wellsaid...
what about freedom of speech in our country... its a good think that ppl can SAY anything they want.. but as we have no tolerance in our characteristic and as we are easy to be directed it will be the worst thing to apply in our country.. i cant imagine what could be...
terrorism doesnt supported legally yet in our country but it has supplies behind some scenes and we had one of these lately in our School...
whatever it is... there is wide amount of people who really pays alot of money to this job - Childporn...
dont you remind the scene on the movie Donnie Darko - that the famous person was found with his archieve of child porn with a fire in his home -
the thing in holland would make them known by society nothing else... i dont think any dutch ppl will support them... if they have some amount.. this will show the sick mind ration nothing else
there is nothing to worry if you ask me
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The fact that Hitler was an intelligent and culture-loving man (he was a painter first, but was rejected at an acadamy, which would explain his enormous efforts to detect 'Entartete Kunst' and also publish it), doesn't make him less of an idiot SuiGeneris. Well idiot is a too cute word for him actually. It was man who totally lost control when he was trying to get it. You should watch the film 'The Wave', which will explain how it probably would've worked in Hitler's time.
But this is not the discussion. I'm not really worrying about things that are going to happen in Holland. This party will not get many votes, nor will it have political power to change things in this country. I'm worried about the fact this is what we've come to. That there are people who basically undermine the law and then try to spread their ideas in politics without shame.
I think Meltem is being a little bit misunderstood. At least, I understood something else from her posts. She is not talking about the politic party itself, but judging one of its points of view: the fact that children should be able to act in porn-vids, if it's out of free will. She is not discussing the 'freedom of speech' here, but i have the idea that she is trying to say that, there is nó such thing as a child playing in a porn-film on freewill. And i agree with her. When i was 12, I remember I bought condoms with my best girlfriend, to blow them up, just for fun. We made fun of it. Sex really wasn't a part of our lives and i was probably only really disgusted by the thought such a thing as porn existed. But children are easily deluded. And i think that was Meltem's point.
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31 May 2006 Wed 11:49 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin:
The fact that Hitler was an intelligent and culture-loving man (he was a painter first, but was rejected at an acadamy, which would explain his enormous efforts to detect 'Entartete Kunst' and also publish it), doesn't make him less of an idiot SuiGeneris. Well idiot is a too cute word for him actually. It was man who totally lost control when he was trying to get it. You should watch the film 'The Wave', which will explain how it probably would've worked in Hitler's time.
But this is not the discussion. I'm not really worrying about things that are going to happen in Holland. This party will not get many votes, nor will it have political power to change things in this country. I'm worried about the fact this is what we've come to. That there are people who basically undermine the law and then try to spread their ideas in politics without shame.
I think Meltem is being a little bit misunderstood. At least, I understood something else from her posts. She is not talking about the politic party itself, but judging one of its points of view: the fact that children should be able to act in porn-vids, if it's out of free will. She is not discussing the 'freedom of speech' here, but i have the idea that she is trying to say that, there is nó such thing as a child playing in a porn-film on freewill. And i agree with her. When i was 12, I remember I bought condoms with my best girlfriend, to blow them up, just for fun. We made fun of it. Sex really wasn't a part of our lives and i was probably only really disgusted by the thought such a thing as porn existed. But children are easily deluded. And i think that was Meltem's point. |
about hitler:
A murderer cant be an "idiot" he was managing a lot of ppl and those who believe his thoughts and apply them to kill ppl are idiot if you ask me... he is very very intelligent that he had a GREAT spell on ppl.
and about porn in our lives, i want to ask you what you would expect nowadays with a simple explanation about those eurovision presentation they are all selling sex appeal arent they, and those videos on MTV or VH1 expect rock sections all the niggas are making little porn films on those videos.. new generation with new telecomunation systems and technology learns too fast.. when i was little there was only sessame street... but now? whats on tv now?
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01 Jun 2006 Thu 12:07 am |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: about hitler:
A murderer cant be an "idiot" he was managing a lot of ppl and those who believe his thoughts and apply them to kill ppl are idiot if you ask me... he is very very intelligent that he had a GREAT spell on ppl.
and about porn in our lives, i want to ask you what you would expect nowadays with a simple explanation about those eurovision presentation they are all selling sex appeal arent they, and those videos on MTV or VH1 expect rock sections all the niggas are making little porn films on those videos.. new generation with new telecomunation systems and technology learns too fast.. when i was little there was only sessame street... but now? whats on tv now? |
I really advice you to watch 'The Wave'. The film kinda explains how people can start to believe in ridiculous ideas and change their lives to it. it's pretty shocking. You will understand why people followed him and why they did what they did. This doesn't take away their guilt ofcourse.
What you said about the telly, i'm not sure what i think of it. I'm not too keen on all the half-naked 'sexy' dancers in r&b clips, nor would anybody else but Kadir see bodyparts of mine that i think are private. The only place where one could see most of me, would be on the beach, but there it would be totally normal. I have pretty strict values about clothing and sex. I don't judge people who watch porn. Some women have vibrators, some men watch porn. I just get disgusted when children would get included.
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