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 kiminle arkadaşlarını olduğumuz görebilirsin sayfama gitsen 

my try but I dont think kiminle arkaşdaşlarını olmak bit is correct

Sayfama gidersen kimlerle arkadaş olduğumuzu görebilirsin.

thank you so so so much to both of you, much much appreciated your help. Can you guys give me an easy way of how to do translations myself? is there any lessons on this website to show you how to write a sentence in turkish?

 well I made a right hash of that faruk when I wrote gitsen is that, if you went or what does gitsen mean please

 well I made a right hash of that faruk when I wrote gitsen is that, if you went or what does gitsen mean please

oh I think  found it does it mean

if you were to go?

 İyi şanslar, deli

I think gitsen denotes a counterfactual situation, existing only in someone´s mind, while gidersen is used for hypothetical but possible conditions. As the listener is just one click away from the page and it is probable he will go there, we use gidersen. But this is my most fragile point in all grammar rules that I have learned, wait for others, wait for Faruk who translated it.

Thanks for your explaination Abla, I presume that gitsen could mean If you were to go?)

Evet, deli haklısın

gitsen may mean "if you would go" or "if you were to go"

doğrulaman için teşekkür ederim

Can I reply, please?

-sa/-se also used to form subjunctive verbs.. when so used it is directly added to the verb root (with no tense between).. and expresses a command, a wish, a suggestion, a recommendation, a desperate hope, a warning or a condition that is contrary to fact:

Yerinde olsam aynısını yapardım - If I were in your position, I would do the same ( a condition contrary to fact)

Keşke hala kullanılır olsa - I wish it were still in use (wish)

Bugün şemsiyeni yanına alsan iyi olur - you had better take your umbrella with you today (recommendation)

Bari o otobüs hemen gelse - that bus had better get here soon (desperate hope) 

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Can I reply, please?

Please do, scalpel. I´m sorry I put my nose to something I don´t really master. I took the risk because deli knows how I can mess it sometimes and doesn´t take me too seriously.

A command? I can´t imagine.

A slight, polite command..as in "elini çabuk tutsa iyi olur", "erken gelsen iyi olur"

I knoticed these words "iyi olur" are repeated and used after the verbs, as with "alsan" in your previous sentence. May i ask how it is being used in these sentences? I almost understand it but I think I´d also need a breakdown of the sentence to truely understand the context. MayI request?

You may, of course

"-saPE iyi olur" actually means "it will be good if" ..

Elini çabuk tutsa iyi olur - it will be good if he is quick

Erken gelsen iyi olur - it will be good if you come earlier

Özür dilesen iyi olur - it will be good if you apologize

"had better" can also be translated as "iyi olur" ( or more likely "iyi ederPE" )

İşe dönsem iyi olur - I´d better get back to work

Bir şey demesen iyi edersin - you´d better not say anything 

..as going back to the imperative function of the -sa suffix.. perhaps the following examples will be more convincing for Abla .. she keeps not trusting me! 

yesene! baksana! sussanıza! çalışsanıza! 

What is the dative ending doing in finite verbs? I can´t find this structure in my grammar book.

It is not dative but, I think, optative .. 

You are using so difficult grammar terms, scalpel, who can ever understand them?

Sorry.. it´s a suffix that indicates wish or hope

The pan is blaiming the pot...

It is an archaic form anyway, isn´t it?

-sene / -sana widely used.. if you had a little kids, (here the experience is talking) you would use that combination at least 1.000.000 times a day: yesene, otursana, yatsana, uyusana, koşmasana, zıplamasana, açmasana, ağlamasana, ........    

We´ll remember it now. Human interest in small portions is very effective in teaching. I used to work as a mother tongue teacher before. I remember the dirtiest teenagers rose up their head from the desk as soon as I spoke from the teacher´s own deep life experience.