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10.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 29 May 2012 Tue 08:05 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

If an earthquake happens, Hagia Sophia´s dome will collapse and the building can be shattered into pieces if the forces applied to it exceeds it structural limits. Hagia Sophia is not the oldest building in the world. Collesium is much older and pyramids are several times as old as Hagia Sophia. The only reason they stood the test of time is because they were built to last using proper techniques.

 

Actually, the chance that Hagia Sofia will collapse is rather small. When the dome was repeared the last time, they have used a certain special concreet. It is actually always slightly wet. So any cracks that appear slowly repair itself. The cracks that might have appeared from the last earthquake in the region have already repaired itself. Thank you Discovery Channel for this information They had a whole documentary about the dome, the repears Sinan had done, and the chances that the dome would collaps. By the way, the minarets do not make the structure stronger in any way.



Edited (5/29/2012) by barba_mama

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11.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 29 May 2012 Tue 11:37 pm

Dome

Interior of the Hagia Sophia by John Singer Sargent, 1891

The dome of Hagia Sophia is carried on four concave triangular pendentives, a form which was first fully realized in this building. The pendentives serve to transition from the circular base of the dome to the rectangular base below.  These were reinforced with buttresses during Ottoman times, under the guidance of the architect Mimar Sinan. The weight of the dome remained a problem for most of the building´s existence. The original dome collapsed entirely in 558; in 563 a new dome was built which included ribbing and was slightly taller than the original. Larger section of the second dome collapsed as well, in two portions. The present dome consists of two sections at the north and south that date from the 562 reconstruction. The north section covers an area of 8 ribs of the whole dome’s 40, while the south section includes 6 ribs. 

The dome has spurred particular interest for many art historians, architects and engineers because of the innovative way the original architects envisioned the dome. The dome is supported by pendentives, which not only restrain the lateral forces of the dome and allow its weight to flow downwards, but also achieve a pleasing aesthetic quality by enabling the dome to transition gracefully into the square shape of the space below.

The face of one of the seraphim in the upper left corner, once covered during the Fossati Brothers restoration, is visible again.

Although this design stabilizes the dome and the surrounding walls and arches, the actual construction of the walls of Hagia Sophia weakened the overall structure. The bricklayers used more mortar than brick, which weakened the walls. The structure would have been more stable if the builders at least let the mortar cure before they began the next layer; however, they did not do this. When the dome was placed atop the building, the weight of the dome caused the walls to lean outward because of the wet mortar underneath. When Isidorus the Younger rebuilt the original dome, he had to first build up the interior of the walls so that they were vertical in order to support the weight of the new dome. Additionally, Isidore the Younger raised the height of the rebuilt dome by approximately six metres so that the lateral forces would not be as strong and the weight of the dome would flow more easily down into the walls.

Another interesting fact about the original structure of the dome was how the architects were able to place forty windows around the base of the dome. Hagia Sophia is famous for the mystical quality of light that reflects everywhere in the interior of the nave, which gives the dome the appearance of hovering above the nave. This design is possible because the dome is shaped like a scalloped shell or the inside of an umbrella with ribs that extend from the top of the dome down to the base. These ribs allow the weight of the dome to flow between the windows, down the pendentives, and ultimately to the foundation.

The unique character of the design of Hagia Sophia shows how this structure is one of the most advanced and ambitious monuments of late antiquity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophia

12.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 29 May 2012 Tue 11:45 pm

i heard that special mortar was prepared by mixing eggs, especially ostrich egg to the mortar in historic buildings which makes the mortar extremely strong. also no spider makes any web when ostrich egg added to the mortar.

13.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 30 May 2012 Wed 11:01 am

Sultan Ahmet had the right approach; he chose to compete with St. Sophia.

He did not try to pretend he owned it.

I hope we Moslems never take over Paris. It will be rather difficult to explain our idiots that Eiffel is not the proper place to pray.

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14.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 30 May 2012 Wed 11:19 am

In my opinion, Hagia Sophia should remain as a Museum. Since it was built as a church. In every historic monuments has its own spirit and to me Hagia Sophia has a christian spirit in it

Strength of Christian spirit in St Sophia is highly debatable. What it has is a very strong pagan spirit. You can see signs of POSEIDON there; very hard to explain in a purely Christian temple 



Edited (5/30/2012) by AlphaF

15.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 30 May 2012 Wed 04:04 pm

To me, Hagia Sophia embodies the duality of Istanbul and should remain a museum.  Istanbul is both European and Asian, Christian and Muslim, East and West...why not have a museum dedicated to that very theme.  I love the mixture of both Christian and Muslim themes in the building.  It is a very special place for me personally because it is a reflection of my own personal life. 

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16.       vona
150 posts
 30 May 2012 Wed 09:22 pm

according to islam any place on this planet is mescid and muslims need not particular places to pray as in the picture in the first post to this thread  people perform their friday prayer in the open air and on the grass in that park between ayasofya and blue mosque, so ayasofya should remain as it is: a museum, I think.



Edited (5/30/2012) by vona
Edited (5/30/2012) by vona

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17.       tunci
7149 posts
 30 May 2012 Wed 09:31 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

Sultan Ahmet had the right approach; he chose to compete with St. Sophia.

He did not try to pretend he owned it.

I hope we Moslems never take over Paris. It will be rather difficult to explain our idiots that Eiffel is not the proper place to pray.

 

Nothing wrong with " we Moslems ´ taking  over Paris " The wrong thing is calling our people "idiots ".

18.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 31 May 2012 Thu 12:14 am

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

Nothing wrong with " we Moslems ´ taking over Paris " The wrong thing is calling our people "idiots ".

 

He´s not saying all muslims are idiots, just saying that the idiots within islam (thus "our" idiots) need to be explained something.

19.       tunci
7149 posts
 31 May 2012 Thu 12:24 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

He´s not saying all muslims are idiots, just saying that the idiots within islam (thus "our" idiots) need to be explained something.

 

I didnt think he said "all muslims muslims are idiot ". when you say "our people", that needs to be explained..who are those "our people" ? and why you think they are idiot ? Calling group of people, community, or whatever, as "idiot" is wrong anyway..

 

20.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 31 May 2012 Thu 07:56 am

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

Nothing wrong with " we Moslems ´ taking  over Paris " The wrong thing is calling our people "idiots ".

 If you honestly believe there are no idiots among Muslims at all, you´ d better see a shrink.

 

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