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50.       vineyards
1954 posts
 03 Jun 2012 Sun 03:51 pm

Why aren´t we joining the EU? That is some question really. Are you asking this seriously?

Abla with all due respect, you can´t sell democracy and freedom like selling a Mercedes. It is like asking a poor guy: "Why don´t you buy a Merc pal, it has everything you need."

Well, I can´t because your guys attacked me from all corners. They did this by offering freedom to the Balkans and Arabs at a time when they were busy doing dirty work of slave trade and colonism in their own back yards. After having lost an entire young generation (remember Dardanelles, Tripoli, Yemen, the Balkan Wars, Russian front), we have no money to afford a Mercedes.

The net result was the creation of medieval style, oil rich nations that perpetually fight with one another. They are still coming up with new forms of freedom words like the Arab Spring while they keep on bombing their lands.

We must not import freedom from anyone, we must not transfer your understanding of freedom. We must develop our own version and you must stop trying to export your beloved regime everywhere.

If the West could stop pokin its nose everyone else´s business, this world would be a better place. To prove this point just check out how much money the West has so far poured into wars and conflicts and how much for the charity work? Stop trying to help the world. Just leave the world alone.

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51.       Abla
3648 posts
 03 Jun 2012 Sun 04:21 pm

Yes, I was asking seriously. I wanted to know your opinion especially, vineyards.

 

I am aware that Europe has had serious problems with the same issues that it is now marketing to other continents. And not so long ago indeed. Maybe I am naive but I believe in learning from mistakes. My country strongly supports widening the Union to the East. In my opinion it doesn´t only mean exporting western values to Turkey but also changing EU into something else, a global player, a truely multicultural society. If Turkey was a member it would be one of biggest nations in EU. Here is one view from a person whose analyse I respect (woops, the speech is a little bit old but the man is saying approximately the same until today):

 

http://www.tuomioja.org/index.php?mainAction=showPage&id=1122&category=4

 

I am sorry if my question about joining the EU in order to escape from local problems sounded irritating. There is a reason. After the second World War Finland managed to stay independent but through the cold war years it had a sick friendship with the Soviet Union. That´s why it was important for us to enter into an allience with the west when the first chance occurred.

 

I was trying to sell you my recipe and see if you like it, that´s all.



Edited (6/3/2012) by Abla

52.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 03 Jun 2012 Sun 05:12 pm

This year I started to do my doctorate in a theology faculty.

 

I hope you mean a doctorate in Catholic Christian theology.

Nothing would make me happier than seeing a Muslim Pope in Vatican. If you can prove to be theologically good enough, Christian clergy should not bar your way, just because you are a moslem ! 

EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER



Edited (6/4/2012) by AlphaF
Edited (6/4/2012) by AlphaF

53.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 03 Jun 2012 Sun 05:29 pm

Why aren´t we joining the EU? That is some question really. Are you asking this seriously?

 

In all fairness, we must consider how the IRISH feel after a few years in EU, before we decide. 

http:// worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/31/11952055-will-crisis-hit-ireland-rebel-against-harsh-remedy-for-ailing-europe?lite

How would Merkel look with a tiny (fake) moustache on her upper lip?


Edited (6/3/2012) by AlphaF

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54.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 04 Jun 2012 Mon 01:43 pm

Quoting AlphaF

Why aren´t we joining the EU? That is some question really. Are you asking this seriously?

 

In all fairness, we must consider how the IRISH feel after a few years in EU, before we decide. 

http:// worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/31/11952055-will-crisis-hit-ireland-rebel-against-harsh-remedy-for-ailing-europe?lite

How would Merkel look with a tiny (fake) moustache on her upper lip?

55.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 04 Jun 2012 Mon 01:50 pm

Well said barba !

56.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 04 Jun 2012 Mon 01:58 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

Well said barba !

 

Ugh.. I wrote such a good piece about the funding Ireland has received in the past to build up their industry and improve infrastructure! Ireland has been a "receiver" from the EU since...forever This means they receive more from the EU than they give, in money. Same is true for Spain (who complains about the EU now too...uhum). Countries like Germany (and The Netherlands) have been "contributers" since the beginning. They put more money in the EU than they receive. Anyway, my point was that people always seem to forget what the EU did for countries like Ireland and Spain... If they hadn´t received that funding they would have been much worse by now.



Edited (6/4/2012) by barba_mama

57.       Abla
3648 posts
 04 Jun 2012 Mon 02:21 pm

...and Greece which according to a rumour is treated unjustly and whom EU wants to humiliate now is receiving support from other euro countries worth a sum which divided per capita makes 33.600 euros for every Greek citizen until 2014.

 

Germany, the evil of the evil, is the biggest payer.

58.       vineyards
1954 posts
 04 Jun 2012 Mon 03:48 pm

Well, Greece has always been Europe´s spoiled child. Europe has always backed them against Turkey. The US aid back in the 70´s and 80´s had a ratio of 10/7. Turkey had more than 50 million population and Greece had something like seven. They are used to being taken care of.

Nevertheless, it is the bureaucrats responsibility to think about the consequences when they attempt to build such a large scale commitment like the EU.

I don´t remember anyone protesting the accession of Greece, Spain or Portugal. The process was so swift, painless and instantly welcomed. Remember the initial ideal: a European union that would rival the US. What we are getting instead looks more like communism: not the poor workers but the poorer countries demanding a share from the common wealth. In the end of this, there will be a more homogenous, inflation and poverty stricken Europe...

59.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 04 Jun 2012 Mon 05:12 pm

So nice to be surrounded with intelligent people here, all striving to learn Turkish language.

Who is going to need anything else, 20 years from now?

60.       vineyards
1954 posts
 04 Jun 2012 Mon 05:48 pm

I don´t know about the "striving" part but I am sure Turkish is one of the most difficult languages to learn. It takes a lot of dedication to master it. The speakers of the other agglutinative languages feel the same about their own languages. Finnish for example is a lot more difficult compared to say Dutch.

It takes a lot to learn Turkish; the learners have my respect...

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