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20.       _Canlı
175 posts
 17 Jul 2006 Mon 08:25 pm

Quoting erdinc:

correct spellings are :
"yatağa"
"yatalım"



Erdinc ??
why didn't we changed the T to a D here ?

Shouldn't it be yadalım ? :-S

21.       deli
5904 posts
 17 Jul 2006 Mon 08:30 pm

so the sentence come on lets go to bed
hadi yataga gidelim? :-S

22.       erdinc
2151 posts
 17 Jul 2006 Mon 08:38 pm

The consonant mutation rule rarely applies to one syllable words. One syllable words are the ones that have one vowel. There are very few exceptions.


Quoting _Canlı:

Quoting erdinc:

correct spellings are :
"yatağa"
"yatalım"



Erdinc ??
why didn't we changed the T to a D here ?

Shouldn't it be yadalım ? :-S

23.       _Canlı
175 posts
 17 Jul 2006 Mon 08:44 pm

Anladım,Tşk Ederim

24.       erdinc
2151 posts
 17 Jul 2006 Mon 08:46 pm

I found an old topic on this issue:

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_6_3143

25.       xXxPaigexXx
199 posts
 17 Jul 2006 Mon 09:09 pm

hehe sorry to butt in..so if i wanted to say 'lets dance' would i say dansalım..i have a feeling thats wrong! please correct me

26.       erdinc
2151 posts
 17 Jul 2006 Mon 09:33 pm

If there had been a verb like "dansmak" then it would be correct but there isn't.

In a dictionary when you are looking for a Turkish always look for a ending with -mak or -mek.

By double clicking on this word > dance < you can access our dictionary.

27.       _Canlı
175 posts
 17 Jul 2006 Mon 09:33 pm

Çok Tşk Edrinc

Very helpful,as usual

Well,you got the right feeling
it is not right,,lol

it is dans etmek the eylem of dans'the verb'

So it should be Dans etelim ,

but i don't know if it take the (I) suffix or not,so it is either this or Dansı etelim

pls correct me

28.       erdinc
2151 posts
 17 Jul 2006 Mon 09:44 pm

Hi Canlı,

This time it is the other way. The "et" in etmek follows consonant mutation even though it is one syllable. I haven't seen so far any source that mentiones more detail except that single syllables usually don't follow. It would be a nice topic for research.


Maybe there should be a list of these:
çok > çoğu
dans etmek > dans ediyorum
gitmek > gidiyorum

Have you tried winmekmak? It always get's the conjugations correct.
On number 21 on this page:
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_6_1448

"dans etmek" is a verb with two words. "Etmek" is an auxiliary verb that builds verbs out of nouns.

Example:
yardım etmek, şikayet etmek

We have around 15 auxiliary verbs.

29.       _Canlı
175 posts
 17 Jul 2006 Mon 09:59 pm

Ohh erdinc,and i thought i finally got the consonant mutation right ,, lol

Ama anladım

İt is kind of exceptions,i hope there would be a way to get a list of all exception in Türkçe
there are not much ,but there are stil exist

Like eylem with Ir in Geniş Zaman almak-bilmek....

Like those words,although i don't understand the rule,except its easier in pronounciation

İsim - Şehir -oğlu -resim -karın -gönül...
when we add sufix with a vowel, we cancel the last vowel

İsmim - Şehrim - oğlum -.....and so

And now the exception of the consonant mutation with 1 syllable

each one of those exception are not much about 15 words,but is there a list for this kind of exceptions ?

Quoting erdinc:

Hi Canlı,

Have you tried winmekmak? It always get's the conjugations correct.



İ did ,but sometimes it didn't give me the right meaning of the verb,and i was trying to use it to understand the meaning of the tense
But it is wonderful when it get the eylem doğru

Btw,isn't there similler program for adlar and sıfatlar ??

30.       erdinc
2151 posts
 17 Jul 2006 Mon 10:31 pm

Two days ago I made many additions to winmekmak's dictionary and I corrected many of the existing translations. The total of changes I made were around thousand and the majority was new entries. I hope soon, when the new version comes it will be more accurate on translations.

I helped to the author Per, voluntarily as this is such a nice tool and is available for free. A week ago Per and me talked about a program for nouns. Actually this was a long time plan by me and by chance Per said he/she had designed such a tool long time ago but didn't improve it much. We are considering this issue.

If you have any suggestions you can mention them:

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_6_5884


A list on exceptions would be great. I will take notes on this.

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