Can someone translate my reply from my brother please?? Thanks so much in advance!! (im sorry its so long, but i guess he got lots to tell me :-S )


emalini yeni okudum yani askere tekrar dömeden yarim saat önce......kizla
evlenmek istemedim cünki yeterince istedigimi bulamadim onda neyse bu tür
seyleri düsünmüyorum su an.....usta birligim fazla doguda degil ama dogudaki

catismalarda destek birligi olarak kullaniliyor bunun anlami nerde terör var
biz oraya gidicez arkadaslariminda durumu benimkinden pek farkli degil......
benim en azindan diplomalarim var yani kuaför olma sansim var onlarin bu tür sanlarida yok......

ben suna inaniyorum insalla bitirip
gelicem sag salim ustabirligine gittigim de sana adresimi gönderirim yani
iki haftaya kadar benden haber alirsin kendine iyi bak herkese selam
söyle......su an da tek ihtiyacim dualariniz sileri asla unutmayacagim....ve yemin törenin cd sini alabilirsem sana yollarim o zaman beni anlarsin....

türk askeri olmak gercekten gurur verici ve ben kendimle gurur duyuyorum her ne kadar tehlikeli olsa ve bazen sonunda ölüm olsada kendine
tekrar iyi bak......eger bana bisey olursa sen hakkini helal et öptüm asker
kardesin
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i just read your mail mean bfre half hour go back the millitary..i dont wanna marry with this girl coz i cnt find wht i want from her..anywy alrdy i not thnkng this kind of things rght now..myplce nt far from west.. this mean where is teror i ll be rght there...myfriend also same..nothng diffrnt thn me..
at least i got diploma mybe i can be hairdressr.. but myfriend dont have luck like me..
i jst belive tht no matter how i ll finish myduty and go back myhome..i ll send you myadress whn i go ll let you know..till 2 week u ll get news from me ..say to hi to everybody from me..i jst need you guys pray fo me.. i ll never ever forget you..if i can get i ll send cd fo you about mymillitary pray..thn tht time you can understnd me better..

ITS REALLY SO PROUD TO BE TURKISH ARMY .. AND IM PROUD OF MYSELF..EVEN ITS TOO DANGEROUS OR GONNA DIE ...
if anytng happen to me.. Give me your heLaL(heLaL mean fo muslim )take care yourslf..kiss you ... yoursoldier brother...

and after i read this post jst wanna say this.. TURKISH PPLE ARE SUCH A DIFFRNT ...IM A TURKISH AND IM SO PROUD TO BE TURKISH... GOD BLESS ALL OF PEOPLE NOT ONLY USA...

brave turkish soldiar

Rain,

İ am with you,Turkish are different,and i am sure with you too that you must be proud cause you are Turkish

But i want to say something here,

İ've noticed from so many posts here from Turkish people that,they try to justify themselves,why they are different!

Or why Turkiye is different than West ?

Yes Türkiye is different,and there where is its beauty,
İts DİFFERENT

İts not like the West,its the country of mixed cultures

Why try to say ,noo we are like the West ?

İts not hard,its easy really to be like the West,it just will take time,'in my opinion'

But the hard thing is for the West to be like Türkiye.

You really don't need to justify your traditions,your customs !

For what,and why ?

Who loves Türkiye,loves her for the way she is,for being different

And who don't like ,then....

Türkiye won't change and not in need to be justified !

İts unique this way

And its unique with her people too .

You realy don't need to say,''noo we don't do such this or that, Türkiye is a good country not bad ''

Türkiye is Türkiye ....Land of mixed Cultures

And she won't ever change.. 'i hope'

There are lots of countries in the West,but just one mixed culture country ,just one Türkiye

So don't justify being Unique

Well said Canli! Why would people be on this site if they didn't love Turkey anyway??? I am concerned that Rain has so much anger in him and is very defensive of Turkey, for what reason? We are not here to attack Turkey - we love it.

My point exactly aenigma,

And who doesn't love Her,or feel offensive by its Traditions,so simply ,don't go there !
And who see Turkish as dishonest people,then...don't deal with them !

But Turkish are people,like all other people,there are the goods,and the bads
Not all good,and not all bad.

No need to be defensive about something doesn't need to be defended at the first place !

Thanks for the translation!!

I am so proud of my brother.. Really i cant find the right words to tell! Thanks again for translating!!

will someone tell me like this army thing you have to do like can you get killed or something???
please can someone tell me!!

will someone tell me like this army thing you have to do like can you get killed or something???
please can someone tell me!!

will someone tell me like this army thing you have to do like can you get killed or something???
please can someone tell me!!

Ops! Have modified my post because I just remembered, I promised someone I wouldn't bother replying to you anymore ! Hey, have a great day

so dont use myname whn you talk...

heidilovesosman..yes of course they can be killed during army duty..they are soldiers they can be put anywhere..but then u could also be killed walking out of your front door..or across the road

i think rain was just trying to put across his pride about being turkish rather than defending turkey..if people are proud of their country then good luck to them

Yes I agree with you and Rain la la la la la

..well aneigma..im english not turkish but fo course i woudlnt be here if i didnt want to learn aBOUT TURKEY

no i dont agree with compulsory service..but if these young men are able and willing..then who are we to argue

judging by the men i have spoke to ..they want to perform their military service..they want to fight and act for land and country..so thats their choice..in my opinion anyway

I think the problem is that not all the men who are sent to the army are willing.

i know..thats why i made a distinction between compulsory service and those who were able and willing...

I think Rain should be commended for speaking his views so openly. I notice that no other Turkish classmates ever challenge his views, and can only assume that such fundamentalist opinions are the "norm".

So what does this mean? Does this mean that all the wonderful, warm, Turkish friends I have are hiding these views from me, that they are in fact racist and will only ever judge me on my nationality?

If this is correct, then I am so sad to discover that indeed "love is blind" and that my love for Turkia is such

Ya enigma are ya sick wht i told you dont talk about myname.. You really got sick problem...Whn i say smtng to you why getting crzy?this is myopinion why you not respct..wht i learn i share here.. is it i said tht in turkey 99 person is percft? whts yourproblem you know..u cnt hear bad about yourcountry and about yourculture.. coz you such a idiot tht whn i write smtng gtting crzy.. ...pls get a life and leave me alone..im boring to see you around me or answer mypost.. go talk about others..

what ever you say rain cos osman told me he didnt want to go thats why he tells me nuffing about it thats why i have asked you all to tell me what happens!!!!
some people dont want to go you no not all like you!!!!!

real brave turkish man.Im proud of being in turkish military service too.friend,turkish people are proud of u too and will keep a people who fight with terrorists...god bless u

o yeah nice to see you again to!!!!!

thanks...

Atatürk's Address to the Turkish Youth
(Atatürk'ün Genclige Hitabesi)

You, the Turkish youth! Your primary duty is to forever protect and defend the Turkish independence and Turkish Republic. This is the mainstay of your existence and of your future.

This foundation is your most precious treasure in the future, as well, there will be malevolents, within and abroad, who will seek to deny your birthright. If one day you are compelled to defend your independence and the republic, you shall not reflect on the conditions and possibilities of the situation in which you find yourself, in order to accomplish your mission. These conditions and possibilities may appear unfavorable. The adversaries who scheme against your independence and your Republic may be the representatives of a victory without precedent in the world. By force or by ruse, all citadels and all arsenals of our dear fatherland may have been taken; all of its armies may have been dispersed and all corners of the country may have been physically occupied. More distressing and more grievous than all these, those who hold and exercise the power within the country may have fallen into gross error, blunder, and even treason. These holders of power may have even united their personal interests with political ambitions of the invaders. The nation itself may have fallen into privation, and may have become exhausted and desolate.

You, the future sons and daughters of Turkey! Even under such circumstances and conditions, your duty is to redeem Turkish independence and the Republic! The strength you shall need exists in the noble blood flowing through your veins ...



I hope you will understand how the turkish man feel when they were in army....

:O
right
no i didnt mean it by the way i was taking th P

my husband was a marine for 8 years and i was very proud of him

yeah but im talking about the army they have to do at 19!!

yeah but im talking about the army they have to do at 19!!

yeah but im talking about the army they have to do at 19!!

Heidi wht you know about turkish millitary you keep on talkng? do you know anytng about history?...i m not interestd wht yourboyf wht he told you ..first you have to grow whn whn you grow learn smtng real about turkey.. not only about relationshp.. and i see tht.. you are 16 years old but you talk a bit high words..

my husband was 17 when he went in the marines

Rain, I understand that you are only expressing your opinion and thats fine, but you have to understand that other people are just trying to do the same and express their own personal views.

Nobody has said anything against Turkey or the millitary! quite the opposite infact, but for some reason you feel you have to defend Turkey, why?

Saying that Heidi is wrong and that 'all Turkish men want to go to the army' Is a very bold statement to make indeed, and I wonder how you feel that you repressent the voice of 'ALL' Turkish men? From what I can see you are repressenting the opinions of a small minority of Turkey. There are Turkish citizens who love their country, but that doesnt neccessarily mean they want the inconvinience of spending 18 months doing compulsory service, especially when they often have careers, responsibilities and even children.

I have noticed lately, especially in chat that political issues are being bought up constantly! And this thread is a prime example of this. This site is for foreigners who wish to learn Turkish, the fact that so many foreigners are interested in Turkish is an honour to the language! But, I feel there are some members of the site, who seem to think the sole purpose of this site is to infect the mind of foreigners with their fashist, narrow minded, and to some extent racist beliefs!

The stuff I have witnessed in chat lately has been disgusting!

Ya pandora i really respct pple opinion who really like to search learn and try to talk here..But since i came to the this website why i get crzy do know.. coz pple talkng whtout dunno anytng..some 1 told her turkish like this or turkey like this.. thn they come here talkng wht they heard..as a turkish i also say in turkey got bad pple got racist..and i see tht not so many pple here to learn turkish they come here to translte wht their boyf sent mss them.. thts it..pple say we are muslim but they not do anytng pple say we are christian they not do anytng wht i understnd from this?... they come here to learn turkish or to learn how turkish cheating?i see so many msg ..pple write oh so normal its turkish.. dont love turkish men.. whn they write like tht where are ya?oh sorry u cnt see? i was a soldier.. my 2 brother were soldier.. whn mydad sent them to the millitary he said.. im proud no matter you gonna die or not.. i like who learn smtng about turkey if they not understnd they can ask to learn... not directly talk bad..! why others country pple not like tht?whn they not say like us we are so proud to be.. why whn turkish say pple are getting crzy?can i learn this..?i talkng with so many people here from europea usa asia country.. if im racist why i have to talk?..pple go turkey find man at there mybe 5 day they know each other thn if smtng happen turkish are bad.. why they not ask theirslf wht we did they behave us like this or they leave us.. i angry coz they only talkng without nothng..

not so many turkish here thts why u guys talk so good here..i wish here got so many turkish men to let you guys learn about turkey..

no im not trying to express an oppinion im asking you to tell me about it because i cant find anything!!!!!
so dont be saying that its an opinion you need to see the difference between a opinion and a question!!and what you mean i talk big words what???

Thank goodness for Pandora and Elisa - I thought I was starting to go crazy. Seems like ALL of us know nothing about Turkey then. We are all to be judged on other people's requests for translations and it's assumed that we all went on holiday, had a fling with a waiter and now think we know it all !

In turkey who dont have tht and only 1 son in family..they cant go millitary who got sick problem they cnt go... yes some young guys around 16 17 they see tht millitary so hard 18 month have to spend time at there fo the country so they feel hard dont wanna go.. or some young see the life pink colour whn their ages 17 18 so hard leave to go millitary.. thts all.. in myfamily
got 3 soldier they really want be soldier tht time so mch.. coz if we die we direct go paradice this is wht make turkish family send their kids to be army so proudly...i thnk is clearn to understnd..

i dont understand why rain is acting like this when all i asked is that what happens beacuse i want to no seen as my boyfriend is going in soon and he doesnt want to so he hasnt told me about it so i ask you all what happens and i get all of this from rain wow chill out mate

ok thanks for that infomation but take my advise!!!and make sure you read the messages proper before saying stuff

i never force pple here to listen myopinion..mybe im wrong too...mybe i say smtng wrong too.. but whn i do smtng wrong you guys have to say Rain i thnk like this why u said so?or wht make you say like tht..but i see tht you guys only like to hear good not bad thts why smtms i drive a bit fast..no 1 is perct even me...but if pple wanna deptade smtng have to talk..who dunno have to ask... not say this ( rain whtvr you say i not care)i ll still drive fast.. who spend time in this website not fo turkish languge fo country fo pple thts why learning turkish..since i come here today no 1 ask no 1 post i wanna learn about ottoman no 1 ask how about turkish family how about turkish street pple... only talk about how turkish man cheating..or they find another women..why no 1 talk about it here talkng bla bla bla.. who wanna learn this thn i not help ?pls not only bla bla bla.. if you spend time here to learn turkish turkiye turkish pple.. try to learn ask more..i ll be here to help.. all country got sick pple man cheating women cheating also..

I think I should organize a "Concert for Tolerance" in this thread!

(see elsewhere)

right ok well hmmm sorry dude!!!
yeah everything has its bad points but then the good whats the point in talking about bad things its wasting good times and other things we could be talking about!!!we should be showing that people from around the world can get on and what ever they feel like doing together¬_¬ and be happy just cos theres people out there that wanna take are happyness away dont mean we have to stay unhappy sorry if you dont get this but i no what im talking about

i jst want to know... why pple can say dont find turkish men they like to cheat and fine another women.. all turkish men like tht.. (here we go ..why whn i say about other country mens or culture they get crzy:? i jst wanna learn this)

pple say bastard son of abitch other bad words.. fo them everytng fine all is nice words..whn i say them take care yourwords they getting crzy if i not say myopinion wht the point? say opinion but not say bastard.. say opinion but not say fuck myfamily they also idiot.. thn you guys ll ask rain why u so hot temper like tht of coz i ll coz pple dunno how to talk..thn they gonna teach me smtng.. first take care yourwords bfre talk to me..mybe they not say to me but i do not like it..in here malaysia pple got dffrnt culture somtms i feel so strange if compera with turkey but i living here so i have to follow their rules i cnt chnge it..i cant chnge pple mind or their mouth but who wanna be nice friends here mst be good mouth to share smtng and learn each other..if you come to me 1 i ll come to you 5.. thts it..i want whn pple say smtng about turkish men or turkish culture they mst look their mens and culture too.. and not only men so many women also do same thnk like men.. all around the world..so pls..whn i write smtng try to thnk why i write...wht make me write..without nthng i wont get hot temper here..

sorry people was on the phone anyway that forums was ages ago to me so why keep bringing it up??i really dont understand why that is!!!and sorry rain i didnt understand some of your message im bit stupid when it comes down to long messages haha

Heidi you have no reason to be apologising!

Rain, I really dont get what point you are trying to make at all! Have you ever thought that if people want to learn about Turkish culture, Families etc that they may rather want to search about these things from resourceful sources rather than listening to the biased preachings of others?

If you want to accuse somebody of using bad language, then I suggest you try the Turkish men in the chatroom, who are always ready to hurl verbal abuse in both English and Turkish at just about anyone who doesnt agree with their preachings.

There seems to be a growing number of members of this site, who are simply here to cause argument, usually of a political nationalistic nature.

I cant believe this all started because Heidi said her boyfriend didnt want to go to the army. If he doesnt want to go then thats his opinion! and iam sure its the opinion of many Turkish men.

exactly and he was telling me that it was his opinion when infact was my boyfriends!!!!
plus i havent really used any bad language thanks!!!!!!!

He's sent me a nasty private message now - which just shows his true mentallity really, and he's the one telling people that they should watch their language!

i am really amazed to see what you have done to a simple translation request...
very succesfull indeed

well if he wants to be like that then let him silly man sending messages!!!!

hmmmmm just set the message as spam if its that bad!!!!wasnt very nice thing to do rain was it >

i dont thnk so i wrote bad msg fo her.. wht she told me i paste same things.. i see tht she gonna chnge pple mind to fght with me.. but sorry im not hear fo fght..i can see from some post from here..no need nickname... a few pple got sick prblem with me.. so better i not talk to them and from here i say again they dnt need to use myname too whn they write smtng.. enjoy with chatting..

what i aint got a problem with you just you should send horrible messages to people and im using your name so you can see who im talking to!!!!

im not saying to you heidi.. they alrdy know..

ok cool well i think that i will just ask osman for my information!!cos its just getting people in to arguments and like i didnt mean for it to happen i was just asking question cos i wanted to no!!!

sorri ment more***

Iam not 'changing peoples mind to fight with you', you have already managed that all by yourself. I dont really understand what you want Rain, you commented on Heidi's translation request and you have made alot of VERY bold statements saying that you 'HATE' the West etc in various different threads, and yet you cant understand why people question you. I know you are just expressing yourself, but people are obviously going to question your beliefs, especially when you put them so bluntly.

So leave me alone get a life...you bor me so mch pls.. really you have nothng to do is it?i give up alrdy..only god can help you.. enjoy yourchttng and whtvr you say i wont argue with you..Ta ta

stop being so rude you dont like people being rude to you and about your life so stop being rude to others¬_¬

ey allahim ya heidi why u jump? who being rude here now? am i say smtng rude? wht u talkng about...

ummm hmmmmm what am i talking about you just sed to that person get out and get a life thats well rude i think everyone here knows who should get a life and needs to chill out wow dude :O

This is not myway to say pple get out..coz im not major here

o sorry didnt mean that i ment get a life!!!sorry i started saying but then started it again haha sorry stupid of me hahaha