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Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

1721.       CANLI
5084 posts
 09 Jul 2008 Wed 12:30 am

Quoting catwoman:

"Only in Islam is someone called "moderate" because he didn't riot and kill over one particular criticism of his religion."

sad, but made me laugh lol



Shaking head !
What is this REALLY all about ?!!!
Next one will be,
Only good Muslim,is a died Muslim !
GOD!



Thread: İs İt True?

1722.       CANLI
5084 posts
 09 Jul 2008 Wed 12:17 am

Quoting catwoman:

However, the way you put it 'if mccain loses the elections, bush will attack iran' - that sounds funny.


İmposing his 'their'agenda on Obama is not funny as much as scary .



Thread: What is wrong with christians?

1723.       CANLI
5084 posts
 09 Jul 2008 Wed 12:07 am

Quoting catwoman:

Canli, christianity is not perfect at all, but it's better then islam for sure.


For you,but its the other way around for us

And i wont go back to old history and mention Crusade
Lets look at our world today,
Bush,Blair, are not Muslims,USA and UK,İsrael are NOT Muslim's countries
So would this ring some bells ?!
What violence are you really talking about ?
Who is fooling who now cat ?!

As for ijtihad...i dont understand,do you mean every Muslim can sit and think about the rules and in what way to follow then practice it ?!!!
İjtihad is with in the rule,not out of it,ijtihad of how to apply it,and its accourding to the set rules
You can argue of course as you want,you can apply the rules or not,but anything contradicting that rule is out of İslam,not tolerance

As for our rules,they are very much clear to us,maybe in Christianity they are not same
And of course there are rules set by God,then if not,what does make you follow Christianity rules and not other religion rules ?!
İf you are Christian then you follow Christians rules ,there is not such a thing as using your mind to decide what to follow or in which meaning
There is only one meaning to the rule
Stealing is a sin...how come it be not
Making sex with stranger is sin....how come it be not
Drinking alcohol is a sin....how come it be not ?
......ect
İf everyone is explaining God's rules in his way,then in the end you will have no religion to start with
Religions are set of rules
We believe 'believers of each religion' those rules were set by God
İf everyone will have his version of that religion,we will be fooling ourselve to say we are Christians or Muslims
İf you want to be Christian you MUST follow Christians rules,there is no other way
Or all what you will have will be a hazy version of the religion

When you believe in God,as Christian,what does it means ?
That you just admit there is a God ?
What does God in a religion means?
Creator,the one who plan and has our destinies,set the rules
Know better than us,for the reason that he created us
So now you question HİS ability to set the right rules,and you
The one who has been created by HİM correcting them ?
Then tell me,if we can do better job,why arent we Gods ?!

İm talking within the range of believers,i mean if you say you believe,then you have to answer those questions
Not to me,but to yourself at least
İf you are not a bliever,then there is nothing to argue about here,you actually not contradictig yourself by saying you believe,and at same time you dont follow the rules
You simply dont believe,so its logic not to follow the rules

As a child,your Mother always knows the right answers,because in those days you are a child,but you will grow up and someday will know the answers too,you wont be a child forever,yes ?
But in that case,im afraid its different,you cant know like or better than God,because you will always be human,you will NEVER be God !

Ps:btw,its not easy 'even not allowed by church' for Christians to convert to İslam,not in our countries



Thread: İs İt True?

1724.       CANLI
5084 posts
 08 Jul 2008 Tue 11:17 pm

Rumores,maybe coming from the Mac Cain speech that tea had posted a time ago
The one that he was saying he will bomb iran
So do you think its not in their plan ?



Thread: İs İt True?

1725.       CANLI
5084 posts
 08 Jul 2008 Tue 10:44 pm

İs it true that if the signs will indicate Obama will win,Bush will bomb İran before leaving the chair ?!



Thread: What is wrong with christians?

1726.       CANLI
5084 posts
 08 Jul 2008 Tue 09:45 pm

Quoting @Tommy@:




Sry ,cant join to that thread Tommy
Our religion taught us to respect other religions
'Lakom Dinakom we Liya Diny'
'You have your faith and i have mine'
So if they chose to pick on ours,it doesnt mean we should do same,does it ?!



Thread: What is wrong with christians?

1727.       CANLI
5084 posts
 08 Jul 2008 Tue 09:42 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting Daydreamer:



He was hoping to see people getting furious over somebody who dared to criticise Christianity. Too bad Christians seem to have more distance to themselves than a different group whose name I won't mention.



Exactly... He just looks like a fool now. If at least he wrote some real things to criticize about christianity and not the jihadists and multiple wifes (oops - sex partners).. :-S



My dear,if Christianity was that perfect,you wouldnt have picked up some things to obay and others not too
claiming that human can correct the rules which God made,doesnt make it that strong or that right, does it ?!

So dont think we couldnt find anything to criticize because obviouly we can
Just judging from your behaviours 'Christians' regarding your religion we have plenty to talk about,but we chose not to
Maybe it comes like a surprise to you to know that there are other persons who dont like to see their religion picked on it
And guess what,they are not Muslims
Maybe it doesnt matter to you,but it sure matter to others .



Thread: As a Jewish

1728.       CANLI
5084 posts
 06 Jul 2008 Sun 09:54 pm

hadar,ask Ayla about it
She was a member here and she is both jewish and Israeli and she also been to Türkiye
İ guess that would be much better for you
İ will pm you how to contact her



Thread: What is wrong with Muslims?

1729.       CANLI
5084 posts
 06 Jul 2008 Sun 01:04 am

Quoting libralady:



Don't get so upset and take things so personally! If thousands, no sorry millions of Christians came to your country and expect you to build churches, and make sure they had Christianity taught in schoolos, expected your country to make changes to accomodate them, and would not integrate you would understand better I am sure. No one is denegrading all Muslims so please dont take it like that.

You say we should learn to live together, I agree, then why do we have a city in England, Leicester, where now the balance has swung and white Britons are the minority and integration has not happened. Do we now have to integrate with the Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs? There are whole areas of most big cities where you would think you are in a different country.

We don't hate it, most British people tolerate it, but we just would like them to accept our way of life a little more and not expect us to bow down to them. If they want to live in Britain then accept us!!!!!!!



Look libralady,i wont claim that i know how things are back there at UK and if things are just or unjust to both you and Muslims,because actually i dont know,so i cant judge and have an opinion of my own
İ have tried to have a good clue about it from people who actually live there not google wise
But i heard only your view not a british Muslim's view
From what you say ,i would say you are totally right,you 'as UK' giving them their rights as any citizens who has the rights to practice their own believes and religion and even making things well for them
And least they offer that they give same acceptance to you,people with different believes,and respect your ways of living
But you see,from those comments beneath that vidoe on youtube,i believe many of you didnt accept them and even hate their guts too !

But actually my reply wasnt for that point,it was for the idea from that thread at the first place,and not to mention the title
Those alone can say many things
Cat has picked a Muslim man comment,and was talking about hate and violence İslam ,blah ,blah....ect
And actually to reply to that we can also copy many,and many comments for different people not just same person,but many different people 'NOT muslims',and full of hatred toward Muslims and all from beneath that same video !
BUT, she just skipped that as if there are not there
Or as if the other people were just friendly and peacful and tolerated,and that Muslim was full of hatred unlike them !!

Bottom line is
''Muslims are the bad people,no others,and its not changable,its in their blood no matter where they are
So we must do something about it ! ''

İ dont take things personally libralady,but yes as i said we can both read and also understand !



Thread: What is wrong with Muslims?

1730.       CANLI
5084 posts
 05 Jul 2008 Sat 01:18 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting catwoman:

Go ahead, canli, start a post "What is wrong with Christians?", let's talk about it. Give links and data that show problems with christians and we will also talk about them. You know however, that problems with christians do not make problems with muslims any less bad.


+1



No dear,i wont
There is no point

As i said we've been through this before,we've been talking and debating at almost same subjects too
So,if we had achieved anything before,then there would be no need to rebeat ourselves again would it ?

And if we didnt achieve anything,then also there is no point in opening same subjects again and even talk about them in same patterns 'that Muslims,İslam is bad and you 'none Muslims' want to teach us how to be good Muslims !' unless we like to hear our own voices over and over again
İ personally dont like to do that
And also as i told armegon in another thread before before,i dont repeat myself,so i wont open a repetitive thread maybe different in title but same in content !
So as i said,be my guest and have it your way,and we have it ours too!

Muslims are bad?...ok we are bad
İslam is sucks?...ok İslam is sucks...
Want us to disappear ?
NO we wont !
We are Muslims,we will be Muslims we wont be neither Christians ,Jewish,none believers...ect

We like OUR religion the way it is,we wont REFORM it the way YOU ''none Muslims' like
And CERTAİNLY we wont be taught about OUR religion and the way to practice it from none Muslims !
We will always be as we are ...Muslims

And guess what, we wont go anywhere either,we will always be here too same as you 'None Muslims' do

So ,dont you think its about time that we learn to live together the way we both are because that is what WAS and what İS and what WİLL going to be also maybe you 'None Muslims' learn to accept it even if you hate it ?!



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