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Thread: Turkey´s youtube ban

1071.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 27 Jul 2008 Sun 03:59 pm

Global Internet Filtering
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/palfrey/top/bio/

The people of Turkey are facing a stark choice: will they continue to have a mostly free and open Internet, or will they join the two dozen states around the world that filter the content that their citizens see?

Over the past two days, I’ve been here in Turkey to talk about our new book (written by the whole OpenNet Initiative team), called Access Denied. The book describes the growth of Internet filtering around the world, from only about 2 states in 2002 to more than 2 dozen in 2007. I’ve been welcomed by many serious, smart people in Ankara and Istanbul, Turkey, who are grappling with this issue, and to whom I’ve handed over a copy of the new book — the first copies I’ve had my hands on.

This question for Turkey runs deep, it seems. They are on the knife’s edge, between one world and another, just as Istanbul sits, on the Bosporus, at the juncture between East and West. The majority of those states that filter the net extensively lie to its east and south; its neighbors in Europe filter much more selectively (Nazi paraphenalia Germany and France, e.g., and child pornography in northern Europe). We’ll learn a lot from how things turn out here in the months to come.

An open Internet brings with it many wonderful things: access to knowledge, more voices telling more stories from more places, new avenues for free expression and association, global connections between cultures, and massive gains in productivity and innovation. The web 2.0 era, with more people using participatory media, brings with it yet more of these positive things.

Widespread use of the Internet also gives rise to challenging content along with its democratic and economic gains. As Turkey looks ahead toward the day when they join the European Union once and for all, one of the many policy questions on the national agenda is whether and how to filter the Internet.


http://opennet.net/
Berkman Center for Internet & Society



Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

1072.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 27 Jul 2008 Sun 05:02 am

FEMALE ISLAMBUL

http://www.agaluczakowska.com/right/islambul.html



Thread: Historical Mosques you can visit in Istanbul

1073.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 27 Jul 2008 Sun 02:02 am

Gazi Ahmet Paşa Mosque (another Sinan Mosque)


Nişancı Mehmet Paşa Camii

Ferruh Kethüda Camii



Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

1074.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 26 Jul 2008 Sat 08:51 pm

Excellent post reply, Tazx1!



Thread: Turkish to English or Spanish

1075.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 26 Jul 2008 Sat 07:12 pm

Sorry to disappoint you, my dear, my Turkish is totally inadequate



Thread: Balat district in Istanbul, were I walked for hours on end

1076.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 26 Jul 2008 Sat 07:11 pm

Have a look at my personal picture file


DISTRICT HISTORY

Surrounded by Byzantine city walls from the 5th century AD to the west, the Golden Horn to the north, Fener and Balat districts are located on the historic peninsula of Istanbul. Once a focal point of the social and cultural lives of Greeks, Armenians and Jews, the Fener and Balat districts are presently inhabited by a mostly Muslim population that immigrated from other cities and rural areas.

Today, Fener and Balat districts look like dilapidated areas and face the danger of total ruin. Some buildings are already in ruins and about 20% of the construction is in poor condition. Out of the 1401 lots on the selected perimeter, there are 102 unoccupied lots (7%), 68 vacant buildings (5.4%) and 124 partially empty ones (9.7%). One of the reasons for this impoverishment is the move of naval industry from the Golden Horn to Tuzla. After then, the social and economic condition of the inhabitants worsened as well as the situation of the buildings. Due to low rents, Fener and Balat districts continue to hold a key position in the adaptation to the urban environment of a population that is poor and lacking the economic resources to carry out the necessary repair and maintenance of the architectural structure.

Many of the residents have no access to proper urban services. Sanitary equipment and health services are cruelly lacking and tuberculosis and hepatitis B are frequent among children. In winter, heavy seasonal rains and poor drainage cause flooding. The population’s standard of education is extremely low; almost a fifth of the women (1998 and 2004 socio-economic surveys) are illiterate and many children drop out of school or attend only intermittently after the age of 12.


http://www.fenerbalat.org/content.php?ct=District%20History



Thread: Hammam experience by an Australian lady

1077.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 26 Jul 2008 Sat 07:00 pm

Turkish Hammam in Istanbul
There is no graceful way to roll over on a slab of marble slippery with soap and water. Try it, you’ll quickly find out that you have to leave all your pretensions and inhibitions at the door. This, for me, was the lesson of the Turkish Hammam (Turkish bathhouse).

It was my first visit to Turkey, to Istanbul. I had been to a hammam before, and places claiming to be hammams, but this was the real deal. Visiting a building where people have been bathing for over 500 years.

It seemed to me that two of the hammams stand out as the real deal: the Cemberlitas, built in 1584, and the Cagaloglu (1741). Both were close to my hotel in Sultanhamet, Istanbul’s main historical district. Both were described and recommended in my guidebook. I decided to try the Cemberlitas, largely because it is near the Grand Bazaar and I had seen the entrance to it from the tram earlier that day – at least I knew I could find it.


The main (male) bathing area at Cagaloglu Hamami, in Istanbul


Hammam Lesson 1: Not for relaxing
Istanbul is a city of 20 million people. And it is fantastic but after only a couple of days I understood why people needed to get away to a place of relaxation. But that was my first mistake: hammams are not about relaxation. Do not expect a pampering, princess experience like in a Western spa. Hammams are about scrubbing, and gossiping. The experience is vigorous, noisy, crowded. And quite confusing.

I ventured to Cemberlitas on my birthday, suffering a head cold. Both conditions which make me a little fragile. On top of that I was assured by the guidebooks that all would be clear and English widely spoken. Well, yes and no.

The receptionist spoke good English. I went for the full package – soap scrub, oil massage, use of the hammam – and was given a scrub mitten and little plastic tokens. These gave me confidence. I could hand them over and people would know what I wanted. A good theory.

Hammam Lesson 2: Women are clearly inferior
My first disappointment is that women are clearly inferior to men. The website promised little changing cabanas but the reality for women is a narrow corridor with lockers and very little room to change. The girl taking care of this area spoke good English but was not particularly forthcoming with information. And in my weakened, blocked-nose state I probably didn’t really ask the right questions. So, operating on assumption, I changed into the cotton wrap provided and proceeded down the corridor as instructed.

I reached a marble room, with two benches. There were a couple of toilets off this room and several women sitting around who stared at me. I smiled. No response. I showed my plastic tokens and one of them waved me towards a door. I smiled thanks and went through the door. Now I was in the hammam itself.

A beautiful room, all marble with a domed ceiling with stars cut out. This was the historical epicentre; women have been bathing here for centuries. In the middle was the heated marble slab where women were being soaped and scrubbed by the attendants. Around the outside of the room were little alcoves with marble basins, battered silver bowls and running taps. The sheer amount of water washing around was decadent enough to an Australian, coming from the land of severe drought.

A few people stared as I hovered near the door but no-one came forward to help me. I was glad I knew enough to head for a basin and start washing myself with the scrubbing mitten. But I made one big mistake. Clearly the basin I chose was used by one of the hammam attendants and as soon as I put my plastic tokens down she came and chased me away, gesturing and shaking her head. I fled to the other side. She calmed down.

Hammam Lesson 3: No nude bathing

Scrubbing you since 1741 at Cagaloglu Hamami, in Istanbul
Feeling a little fragile, I washed myself down, then went to lie on the hot marble slab and relax. I took my little tokens and figured that someone would notice and come to look after me in turn.

I glanced around to see what the etiquette was for lying on my cloth or not, and then I noticed: everyone except me was wearing bikini bottoms. Then I saw the sign: No Nude Bathing. I had made a huge faux pas. I hadn’t even brought a bikini with me – I assumed that women-only bathing would be a nude experience. My spirits plunged, my coping skills were as low as my immune system.

After toying with rushing back to my locker for my underpants, I forged on, lay my cotton wrap on the slab then lay on it. And, man, was I glad because a short time later another brazen fool without bikini bottoms came in, scrubbed off then dared to sit on the marble bare-bottomed. Oh, the raucous outrage she inspired! I felt a little better.

But I have to say I wasn’t particularly relaxed. I was increasingly anxious about my soap scrub and oil massage. Should I have told someone? Was I just meant to wait? So… I got up and went over to a lady I could see was an attendant and showed her my tokens. She nodded and waved at the slab. Obviously I was meant to lie down and wait. I did… but so much for the guidebooks assurances about good English spoken. I thought about shedding a little tear – as you do when you feel physically unwell, culturally confused, inappropriately naked, and it’s your birthday just to add aging into the mix.

Finally a lady came over, took my tokens and started throwing water on me, wrap and all. Yay, I thought. Here we go. I will be clean and relaxed and this stupid cold will be steamed out of me. Then another lady came to the door and yelled and my lady got up and left. What?! NO!

Hammam Lesson 4: No husband? No wax.
I lay there a bit longer, then finally she came back. And she was really nice. A big smile and the inevitable question about where I was from. ‘Oh, Australia, so far away.’ Then it was down to business. And my realisation that, at the hammam, you are quickly snapped out of any princess pretensions and busted down to being a piece of meat.


I was scrubbed. I was inelegant as I turned over on the slippery slab. I had water thrown over me. I was in danger of drowning in bubbles. And, boy, was I happy! Until she looked me over critically, pointed and said: ‘You want wax?’ I shook my head. ‘For your husband!’ I shook my head again. ‘You have no husband?’ I shook my head. She looked horrified. Was rendered speechless. Being made to feel a misfit did not help sustain my happiness levels.

When she finished, she helped me up and sent me out to the other room. When I reached for my sodden wrap, she shook her head and took it from me. In my naked shame I exited the hammam and went back to the cooler anteroom I came in through. Everyone ignored me. I saw a pile of towels and leapt, wrapped myself up, then sat on a bench to wait for my oil massage. I could only hope someone knew what was going on; I didn’t.

On the other bench was a lady who had succumbed to the waxing offer. Wrap tossed aside, bikini off, legs unceremoniously spread, facing into the locker room, her expression was a mixture of mortification and agony. I was glad I had been strong enough to continue shaking my head.

Some very confused Japanese girls came in and stood around for a moment. I pointed them into the hammam. If I was now a font of knowledge we were all in trouble.

Finally, a lady came and took me in for my oil massage. On a massage table in a room of four, she oiled and massaged. It was nice but gentle. And then I was sent back into the anteroom. Unsure whether I was meant to re-enter the hammam and seeing no place to relax and chill I headed back for locker, got dressed and went out to reception to meet my co-traveller, Steve, who had done the same package as me. Steve had hot towels wrapped around him, changing cabanas and little beds to relax on while he was served juice.

Tears threatened to well again: being a woman was clearly being a lower form of life, especially an unmarried one!

Hammam Lesson 5: It’s always better the second time
I was a little scarred and saddened by my hamman experience and Steve, bless him, insisted on visiting the Cagaloglu hammam a few days later. Similar in many ways: the domed room, the cotton wrap, the confusing waiting around; this was also a much, much better experience.

The women’s changing area was almost identical to the men’s – but without the fountain! We had private, locking changing cabanas, and little beds, and little wooden shoes (which were quite a challenge to walk on across wet marble and caused many a giggle from the attendants). There were no plastic tokens but the staff seemed to know what I was having. And they were clearer in waving me to places to wait. On entering the beautiful, grey marble, domed hamman, a woman waved me to a basin, turned on the taps for me and said: ‘Water, water’. So, I splashed myself over and over and over while I watched others get scrubbed and massaged on the slab.

Thankfully there was no suggestion of waxing but she led me back to the basin, pushed me to sitting naked (except for my bikini bottoms!) on the marble at her feet and proceeded to wash my hair. Usually I would say no because my hair is long and tends to throw scary red henna water which scares people (although probably not in Turkey) but I had no chance and I was so glad. Reduced to feeling about four years old as she forced a comb through my hair, it was great. Truly surrendering to someone else’s control and feeling absolutely looked after.

I had a quick relax on the hot slab again afterwards, then went to my little room to chill out (and dry my hair). Sadly, this was all too quick because they were about to close. I’m therefore not sure if they would have served me juice as they did Steve in the men’s area. But while I waited for him, the man in reception (which is also the men’s cabana area!) brought me pomegranate juice. While the other men stared and stared… which I was getting used to after a few days in Istanbul but still not particularly liking.

So, after all that, I would definitely recommend visiting a Hamman when in Turkey. Your skin will never feel so amazing! But I would say go to the Cagaloglu. It is friendly, the facilities are better and the price is standard, the location is central, and it is historically significant. After all, it appeared in an Indiana Jones movie.



Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

1078.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 26 Jul 2008 Sat 06:30 pm

Ayhan, bravo!!



Thread: Mevlana (Mevlana Jalauddin Rumi)

1079.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 26 Jul 2008 Sat 06:16 pm

Only Breath

Not Christian or Jew or Muslim,
not Hindu, Buddhist, sufi, or zen. Not any religion or cultural system.

I am not from the East or the West,
not out of the ocean
or up from the ground,
not natural or etheral,
not composed of elements at all.

I do not exist,
am not an entity in this world
or the next,
did not decend from Adam or Eve
or any origin story.

My place is placeless,
a trace of the traceless.

Neither body or soul.

I belong to the beloved,
have seen the two worlds as one
and that one call to and know,
first, last, outer, inner,
only that breath breathing human being.
***********************************************
Love is reckless; not reason.
Reason seeks a profit.
Love comes on strong,
consuming herself, unabashed.

Yet, in the midst of suffering,
Love proceeds like a millstone,
hard surfaced and straightforward.

Having died of self-interest,
she risks everything and asks for nothing.
Love gambles away every gift God bestows.

Without cause God gave us Being;
without cause, give it back again.

Hz. Mevlana








Thread: Turkish to English or Spanish

1080.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 26 Jul 2008 Sat 06:08 pm

Eda, do you need help with German or Spanish. I can help you.



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