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Thread: Vowel harmony

51.       erdinc
2151 posts
 18 Aug 2008 Mon 07:18 pm

OK, here is some more help. But you need to do the rest yourself.  

 

back vowel = hard vowel = a, ı, o, u

front vowel = soft vowel = e, i, ö, ü

 

flat vowels = a, e, ı, i

round vowels = o, ö, u, ü

 

Now the question is very simple:

What vowels are back and flat at the same time?

What vowels are back and round ?

What vowels are front and flat ?

What vowels are front and round ?

 

Please don´t answer here since learners need to do the exercises themselves.

  



Thread: Vowel harmony

52.       erdinc
2151 posts
 18 Aug 2008 Mon 07:04 pm

Hello,

 

I prefer to call them back and front vowels. Therefore the exercises and the lessons are using different terms. Anyway, it is like this:

 

back vowel = hard vowel = a, ı, o, u

front vowel = soft vowel = e, i, ö, ü

  



Thread: Medical studies

53.       erdinc
2151 posts
 18 Aug 2008 Mon 06:13 pm

As far as I know very few universities are teaching medicine in English. I know around 20 univiersities and only one of them has English as teaching language. Here is it´s website.

http://www.tip.hacettepe.edu.tr/english/index.php

 

Have a look on this page about foreign students:

http://www.iso.hacettepe.edu.tr/iso/



Thread: Ask your teacher - erdinc´s group

54.       erdinc
2151 posts
 18 Aug 2008 Mon 05:36 pm

yemek pişirmek: cooking

yemek yemek : eating



Thread: "-En", "-Dik" ve "-EcEk" Ortaç Eki

55.       erdinc
2151 posts
 18 Aug 2008 Mon 01:07 am

This is an advanced topic. It would take pages to cover all the details. I will give a very short summary.

 

These suffixes are used instead the relative pronouns ´who´, ´that´, ´whom´, ´where´. Here are a few examples:

 

1. the places where we have been : gittiğimiz yerler

2. the dog that barks : havlayan köpek

3. the car which broke down : bozulan araba

4. the man who just run away  : az önce kaçıp giden adam

 

Let´s take sentence three and look closer. To brake down is something that happaned to the car. It is a description or feature of the car.  The pronoun ´which´ is connecting this feature to the car. Since we don´t have this pronoun In Turkish, we add a suffix to the verb. I think now you have an idea about when to use these participle suffixes.

 

-en is the noun participle. -dik is the past tense participle. And -ecek is the future tense participle. But these participles are not limited to any tense. They are timeless.

 

One thing that is easy about this topic is that the verbal adjective (the word that takes the suffix) is always before the noun it modifies.

 

You also wanted to know how to decide which one to use. This is a detailed issue. In general:

 

a) -an, -en is used if the noun it modifies is the subject of the verb in the relative clause.

 

Example 1:

"The dog that bit me, run away."

Here the relative clause is "the dog that bit me..." The verb in the reative clause is ´to bite´. The subject of this verb is ´the dog´. "To bite" should refer to this subject. Does it? Yes, it does because to bite is a description or feature of the dog.

 "Beni ısıran köpek kaçtı".  

 

First, find the verb in the relative clause . Then find the subject of that verb. If you are describing this subject then you can only use -an, -en. The other two participles are never used that way.

 

b) Generally -dik or -ecek is used if the noun it describes is the object of the verb in the relative clause. -ecek is used if the relative clause (not the whole sentence) refers to a future situation.

 

Example 2:

"A person that I don´t know died yesterday"

First thing we do is to identify the relative clause: "A person that I don´t know ..."  You need to think this as "There is a person I don´t know". ´To know´ is the verb. ´I´ is the subject. ´a person´ is the object. So we use the -dik participle because it is not a future situation:

 

"Tanımadığım biri dün öldü."

 

Example 3:

"I received the book that you have send."

Relative clause: the book that you have send (think as "You have send a book.")

Verb in relative clause: to send

Subject of relative clause : you

Object of relative clause: book

 

The noun that is described in the raltive clause is the object of the relative clause. Therefore we use -dik participle:

Gönderdiğin kitabı aldım.

 

Example 4:

I have seen the car that you will buy.

Here the car is described as "the car that you will buy". This is our relative clause. Although the verb in the main sentence "seen" is not future tense, we use the -ecek because the verb in the relative clause is about a future situation and at the same time "you will buy the car" has the car as object. So -ecek is used.

 

This is only the half of the topic. So far we saw verbal adjective clauses. There are also verbal adverb clauses with the same suffixes. Examples: 1. İstanbul´a geldiğinde beni ara. 2. Hasta olduğum için işe gidemedim.

 

I don´t suggest to anybody to study these topics in detail. You will not learn it that way. When you need to build a sentence still you won´t be able to. My suggestion is, that you learn enough grammar to know roughly what is what and then read a lot.

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Thread: E to T pleaseeeee :) ...kinda important (Hurricane coming...)

56.       erdinc
2151 posts
 17 Aug 2008 Sun 07:36 pm

No, it is kasırga. It is the first time I have heard of urağan. It´s not used at all.

 

The translation you got is pretty good.



Thread: Ask your teacher - SuiGeneris´s group

57.       erdinc
2151 posts
 17 Aug 2008 Sun 09:21 am

Sui has too many students to help. Let me give a hand here.  

 

Shizuma,

There are some suffixes that have two versions:

 

plural suffix: -ler, -lar (example: arabalar, evler)

infinitive suffix: -mek, -mak (example: gitmek, koşmak)

locative case suffix: -de, -da (example: arabada, evde)

 

With two type suffixes we have two rules:

 

1. if the last vowel is a back vowel (a,ı,o,u) continue with the "a" suffix.

2. if the last vowel is a front vowel (e,i,ö,ü ) continue with the "e" suffix.  

 

What is the last vowel in İstanbul? It is "u". So I put a back vowel if I´m adding a suffix that has two version: İstanbul´da 

 

Some suffixes have four versions:

 

accusative case suffix: -ı,i,u,ü

present continuous tense suffix: -ıyor,iyor,uyor, üyor

question suffix: -mı, mi, mu, mü

 

With four type suffixes we have two rules:

 

1. if the last vowel is a back and flat (a,ı ) continue with the "ı" suffix.

2. if the last vowel is a back and round  (o,u) continue with the "u" suffix.

3. if the last vowel is a front and flat (e,i) continue with the "i" suffix.

4. if the last vowel is a front and round (ö,ü ) continue with the "ü" suffix.

 

The last vowel in İstanbul is "u". So I put the -u suffix : İstanbul´u seviyorum.



Thread: Ask your teacher - erdinc´s group

58.       erdinc
2151 posts
 16 Aug 2008 Sat 06:34 am

1. "Biraz Türkçeyi konuşuyorum." is incorrect.


2. "Biraz Türkçe konuşuyorum." is correct.

3. "Türkçeyi biraz konuşuyorum." is correct.


Kediler is a plural generic noun. The person is talking about cats in general.

 

"to me" doesn´t work that way in Turkish. The dative case is about direction. If you would say "Give the bag to me" here it would mean direction. So we would translate as "bana". In your sentence "to me" is not used in it´s ordinary way. It doesn´t mean direction.


Some time ago we talked about the Turkish terms for noun cases. The dative case is called "yönelme durumu".


Yönelmek means "heading or going towards".



Thread: A short Turkish to English pls

59.       erdinc
2151 posts
 16 Aug 2008 Sat 04:58 am

I´m sending you two more texts. Both are about holidays. The text about Yasemin is for today and the other one is for monday.



Thread: Ask your teacher - erdinc´s group

60.       erdinc
2151 posts
 14 Aug 2008 Thu 09:05 pm

Because it is to Ali dative used. Ali´ye ne oldu?



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