New year,is coming along,and you till now,not here with us,so thought to send you this to say thank you for all of us.
Maybe that should be posted at off the topics,but i thought to post it,in the most place that you shared your knowledge with us.
No question,or issue anyone post it here unless you made sure he,or she got the proper answer.
Even if some was having some sort of thik mind issue for a bit,and didn't understand 'like myself,i did too lol' but you always has the patience to explain,once and twice till we understand.
Maybe you didn't have the patience for other things than language topics,and we find what so called a thread locked ..lol
But in language explaining,you never got bored of explaining once and twice,and searching for material to help too.
You were,and are such a good teacher to us.
Maybe i am not such an old member here,but you were such a big help to me Türkçede,with your unique style
And i was one of the people who was lucky to be here,when you were arround.

Wish you can come back soon to us teacher.
İt was really different when you were arround.
'Ok guys,i said it,,lol'

Çok Teşekkür Erdinç,iyi şanslar Olsun.
'can i say that ? wish you best of luck '

Erdinç :
I want you back too and agree entırely wıth everythıng that CANLI has saıd...It was so great when you were around because we apprecıatte you a lot as a teacher.
I wısh you all the best and thank you for all your dedıcatıon to thıs sıte ...!!!
Dilara

now it seems as if Erdinç is the King of the forums..


We cann't say,Çok,and then say TeşekkürLAR
--> Canli, no because then the vowel harmony isn't in.. well.. harmony!

tEsEkkÃœrlEr

Yes chantal,thx,biliyorum.

That is why i wrote the A with capital letter,to indicate it can be either e or a,that is how its written in my book when the letter is changeable.

lAr ..means lar,or ler
Im..means, im,ım,um,üm
And so on.

So my question was,
Should we say,
Çok Teşekkür,or Çok Teşekkürler ?
2 plurals after one another ?

A ha,çok teşekkürler Canım
İ wonder what other exceptions are hidden here or there ? lol

Ne demek canım

I can talk about "ki"

it is another exception.vowel harmony isnt valid for it

arabadaki,evdeki,gül ki,ağla ki ...

but i think there are 2 exceptions inside of "ki" exception lol

dünkü and çünkü

you cannot find many people who say "çünki" nowadays.

Ok Canım,you got it,i guess now you better meet me out into another thread about ki ,and others, Kaderim

Dear Canli

It was a great idea to open the topic for thanking one valuable member of our community, who is, unfortunatly, not much with us anymore, for everything he has done for us.

Your thread was, as usual, ruined by discussion which has nothing to do with the topic…

…but it didn’t surprise me – I’ve got used to spoiling threads

What really surprised me was the fact that nobody (with exception of Dilara) replied your message. Is it possible that no one has anything to say about the member who gave such a huge contribution to this site? If new members don’t remember him, where are the old members? Is our memory really so bad?

So, let me get back to the topic and remind you whom we are talking about here...

He came to Turkish Class around year and a half ago...

...and started...

...teaching us how to learn...

Quoting erdinc: Vocabulary, basic grammer and the knowledge how to put the words together will be enough for a long time. Pronouncitaion and detailed grammer are the less important things to worry I think.

...giving us lessons...

Quoting erdinc: The accusative with verbs can be used to translate these kind sentences: I like swimming. > Yüzmeyi severim.

...examples...

Quoting erdinc: Examples: Okulun kapısı > Okul-un kapı-sı > The school's door door of the school Denizin rengi > deniz-in renk-i > the colour of the sea

...exercises...

Quoting erdinc: Now, can you make a simple sentence with an infinitive from your dictionary and a word from list one or two?

...helping us...

Quoting erdinc: I`m happy to know I can help others by learning Turkish.

...giving us hope...

Quoting erdinc: I`m sure you will be speaking turkish very well one day. I think you already can speak the basic sentences.

But he didn’t teach us only grammar and language...

Thank to him we learnt about
magandas
arabesk music
living in Turkey
Ibrahim Tatlises
his army experience


As a moderator...

...he was often reminding us to Forum Rules

..and he was a real artist in deleting...

Quoting erdinc: If a thread or message was deleted and you post again and you say something like 'why was this deleted?' or 'don't delete again' or 'don't delete' then it will be deleted because you were not following rule 12.

...and locking...

Quoting erdinc: You are always doing the same thing and blame me with things I didnt say. I don't have to go into these kind useless discussions. I can simply block the argument or delete your messages. For instance this thread is now locked because the use of incorrect argumentative language.

... and sometimes a real dictator...

Quoting erdinc: No public discussion means no public discussion.

Anyway, his messages were sometimes nostalgic...

Quoting erdinc: When I look back I think maybe the most happiest times in my life so far where the times I spend long winter nights at home, outside the cold and freezing snow and inside that music, some coffee, a desk lamp and a good book to read.

...sometimes funny...

Quoting erdinc: I don't know certain figures on spoken language but probably an educated person could use 10.000 words. I guess Turkish top models use about 2000 words and our politicians use about 1000.

...sometime sentimental...

Quoting erdinc: A few French songs and a few French movies, where Daniel Auteuil playes together with some nice and sophisticated people, is enough to calm me down after the recent incidents, and it makes me wish I could speak French, live in Paris and do nothing.

...sometimes strict...

Quoting erdinc: Hello folks, calm down and move on please. If you would like to continue discussing about what you are discussing you can do so by private messages. Thank you.

...sometimes touching...

Quoting erdinc: I wish it had been possible to find all the nice things after a while again that I have forgotton maybe somewhere here or generally in my life. There is hardly anything for me that is as irresistible as going after forgotton moments of the past.

...and sometimes sarcastic...

Quoting erdinc: AlphaF, thank you for your comments on my translations. Are you missing the old days when we had some killer arguments or are you just bored?

Some of his messages were a real small essays ,other BECAME essays …

Many times we disagree with his points of view

Quoting Deli_kizin: Actually Erdinç, a lot of times i disagree with you or think that you are strict. But today I realized I do forget that you might be what Türkiye needs right now: someone who truly loves the country and tehrefore critizes it, to make it better.

...many times we were angry with him...

Quoting Goodbye: Offffffff it is truly a man's world! I was deleted and removed from this site for daring to ask why a moderator had started a controversial post about religion and politics.

...but after his apologie...

Quoting aenigma x: Quoting erdinc: Nice username. Very creative. Thank you

...and some other happenings...

Quoting aenigma x: Feeling sad . It feels like all the good-will, friendship and respect we had for eachother on this site has been tainted these last few weeks.

...seems we have forgiven him...

Quoting aenigma x: I wish Erdinc were here....

Quoting sophie: Oh for God's sake BRING HIM BACK!

... and sometimes we were even making fun with him...

Quoting Kadir37: Erdinç, ara sıra bara gelir ve iki bira içer, gider. Erdinç, iki bira içti ve gitti. Erdinç, iki bira içtikten sonra gitti. Erdinç, iki bira içtikten sonra bardan ayrıldı. Erdinç, bardan ayrılmadan önce iki bira daha içti. Erdinç, en son geçen hafta sonu bira içmişti.

One day he decided to leave us...

Quoting erdinc: Greetings, I wanted to spend my time on this website on more peaceful things so I asked for the changes. Bye.

Quoting erdinc: Greetings, I need more time and peace for other issues. I should be writing a thesis instead spending too much time on the internet... ... Sometimes you need to give up something for something else.

Quoting erdinc: Unfortunately, for the fortcoming months, I have less time to spend than I used to in this website. Cheers.

... and he did

But during his stay with us...

...he posted almost 2000 messages , mostly about Turkish language and grammar;

...he gave a huge contrubution in lesson part...

...thank to him we have:

The Big List of Online Turkish Language Sources and related websites

and

list of Links for Turkish Literature ...

He also made amazing little stories for beginners, about Ayşe and Bert , showing us, among others, his talent for drawing...


...and his translations of songs and poems became a part of TC Turkish Poetry Section...

So...

I’m sure that most of you agree that he deserves a big




Dear Erdinç, thank you once again for everything you did for this site and all of us. I wish you happy New Year, filled with inner peace, professional prosperity and personal happiness.

oh! i am just speachless with this story...
and what i have done with my simple translations, which have an amazing reason, is just a little near what Erdinc done here...

Thank You Erdinc... and slavica for this great story

great post slavica!

Great Slavica

Never can be better

Btw,yes the thread was ruined with off topic too,but,it was ruined in some languges matters,and that not far from Erdinç,and i guess he would welcome such thing ,as long as its a languge topic,he may help too .lol

As i said,i wasn't here for long,but i was arround when he was regularly here,and i can say, i notice the difference very well.

İts not same without him.

Thank You Erdinç.

Wish you all the best in what ever you do,and

Wish you can be with us soon.

Slavica's post describes Erdinc in the best way. Shows all his sides. The good and the bad ones. And points out his enormous contribution to this website.

I voted for him in the thread about the most helpful member of TC for 2006. I think he is the one who deserves this title most.

I have been a lazy student and I find it hard to exercise and improve my skills in turkish language, mostly because I cant find any spare time to do so. But the exercises he was giving, were making it easy and challenging to study.

Like Slavica mentioned, I also have called him a dictator many times. His strict way of moderating was driving me mad sometimes. But whenever I took the time to look deeper, behind what was appearing as obvious with him, I could see someone sensitive, pure, romantic and dedicated.

For all the reasons that made me love and appreciate Erdinc (when I was not mad at him ) and for what I 'saw' in him while he was trying hard to hide, i once dedicated him a song in a thread. Right now I feel like dedicating it to him again. So here it goes:

Slavica how on earth did you manage to dig up all those quotes?!! I can’t get too sentimental about Erdinc, although I respected him a great deal and made many attempts to "make the peace" with him, he was never anything but rude and aggressive towards me – his private messages had to be seen to be believed.

However, I think (maybe because of this) people develop what I like to call “the Gordan Ramsey” syndrome, i.e. if someone is so rude and hard to please, the very slightest praise or kindness they give is worth double that from anyone else. (Another case to prove my point – Rain ).

Anyway, I do confess to missing him a tad when things get out of hand here. Maybe I miss him in the way a mouse misses a cat – things are quieter, but it’s less fun when you have no fear of death whilst playing in the house

PS. Incidently there WAS no apology - his comment about my new usename was merely sarcasm!

I have one short comment - Slavica you have brought back the meaning of this site by one rather well researched post! Well done - I hope it is heeded.

Slavica, you are UNBELIEVABLE!
I really enjoyed reading your post, it brought back some forgotten memories and mixed emotions as well..

Erdinç, thanks for the blood, sweat and tears you most probably must have shed while explaining topics of your beautiful language to the naughty kids here

Let's get loaded now before this starts to look like an in memoriam

seems like someone has obsessions about erdinc otherwise how is it possible to dig up all his 2000posts and describe them?

I think she has made a good point! The site is short of moderators and he was a good one.

Slavica - you're an artist, what an amazing post!
I absolutely agree with Aenigma about Erdinc and about that syndrome TC seems to have.
Erdinc is an excellent teacher, the way he was explaining the language was brilliant and teaching Turkish on TC suffers a lot since Erdinc left. Erdinc is also very intelligent, eloquent, serious, honest and full of interesting ideas. He is also completely obsessed about his country...
As a moderator, he contributed to developing TC Rules, which turned out to be necessary, but on the field, he was an absolute dictator. Either his way, or highway. Only his type of views were allowed to be expressed, he always had the last word, he was deleting members and threads out of personal fights and for subjective reasons. Many valuable members left this site because of Erdinc.
I am surprised to hear people saying that they want Erdinc to come back as a moderator, not so long ago, I was getting messages all the time saying that he ruined TC and they wanted him out...

slavica...what am amazing post. you brought back all the memories of what erdinç has done for this site and for the turkish language learners.

i didn't have much to do with erdinç on a personal level, but i do remember his grammar posts which were always helpful.

also his posts about magandas and arabesk music were always interesting and humourous at times. they made me laugh, even if they weren't supposed to.

he is missed on tc, but there are also other native turkish speakers who have stepped into his place to help us out.

i hope erdinç is doing well with his thesis and whatever else he is doing.

thank you.

Slavica :

What you have written is BY FAR the best Post I have EVER read on turkish class!!! ( and I am one old member!)...simply a MASTER PIECE!
It brought back many memories about our teacher and I have to say I never saw him as a "dictator" ,strict yes, but never a dictator. Everything he did was for the benefit of the site.Whenever I asked for help, he helped me, WHENEVER I wrote to him, he replied to me and WHENEVER I gave one suggestion to him HE ANSWERED BACK ...

I feel nothing BUT GRATEFULNESS towards him, a very smart , strict but dedicated person whose passion is TEACHING ...
Thank you once again, good luck in all your proyects and when you have time, go back...
Dilara

what a day again, i've learnt im a human thanks to some non-perfect persons! what an super educational site!

Slavica! I love your reply! I bet he will come back after he reads how much we actually seem to care about him.. !!

Yes... we are humans therefore we err... quite a lot it seems . Aenigma and Femme fatal - is this a good enough excuse for Erdinc? Anyways, Femme meant that some people do things without understanding their own choices, which leads to them contradicting themselves. It's ok to make mistakes (since we're humans, not robots), but not so ok to be reckless and irresponsible... Let's try and get this thread back on track .

I think it is NOT GOOD AT ALL to tell things like :
"DICTATOR , ARROGANT " ETC ETC to a person like Erdinç or ANYBODY ELSE WHO IS NOT AROUND TO DEFFEND HIMSELF OF THOSE WORDS!!! or at least to give us his point of view about the facts!!!...

It ıs lıke crıtıcıze someone when he/ she has left your home/ class / office ---It is quite unfair ... or perhaps it is me who is too "direct" on those affairs...
In spite of this, I am NOBODY to judge you at all and believe me I RESPECT your opinions about him, obviosly he has his faults because he is a HUMAM BEING but PLEASE
Lets remember and consider his CONTRIBUTION to the site , his big help in grammar/poetry/lessons/short stories/ corrections / music ...it is so much important !!!!
Again, just my humble opinion ...

Dilara

Absolutely - nobody is denying his contributions - it is the way in which he summararily dismissed peoples opinions as worthless which infuriated many.

Hello everybody. Thank you all who wrote on this topic. It has been a nice read.

Without a doubt my experience on this website has increased my interest on online communities and web sites. It has been a good experience for me.

This website has evolved on its own unique way. It has become an online community of members who like to visit the forums regularly and share their ideas on different subjects with other members.

There are topics here on a wide range of subjects. While this is only natural for such a community it was not exactly within my style of interacting with people or being a part of those interactions. Unfortunately I didn't have the authority on this website and nor the technical talent to make big changes on the ways how the site operates.

Once we tried an editorial way of publishing new articles and we picked some editors for cultural forums but this project failed because most of our editors were to shy to write a few lines on their own field.

Currently I'm more focused creating content for future projects and I'm trying to avoid unnecessarities.

As Turks we have some good and some not so good values. Cultural changes that started with the Internet age have been challanging some of our good values. I think Internet can exist in a different way than most Turkish youths are understanding it to be. We constantly need to work on new and creative solutions to rise the level on Internet based intellectual communications.

If cultural disruption is a truth for todays ipod-msn generation then it is even a more real problem for Turkish youths. As somebody who made these topics an issue of his own life, I might have read things differently then those who are used to a more formal and distant approach.

Well, things change and time passes. We need to move on.

I decided to move this topic to a more appropriate and less eye catching place.

Slavica,
You have certainly put a nice collection together. Thank you. There is very little to add. I sometimes think what is left behind is only a few harmonious words. I wish I had more chance to find them. I sometimes tried. Maybe my army experience can be added to your list.

I think I will spend more time in the future translating a few of my favorite poets and musicians. Maybe I can manage to put those together on the internet somehow. I, unfortunately don't have much talent on creating web sites. I have always avoided becoming a technical person. It is dangerous to dip to much into technicality and to become a technical person. I'm sometimes struggling how to approach todays technical World. Finding a balance is challanging in many ways.

I guess I'll be still around now and then. Bye.

Hello Erdinic,
It was nice to see you online once again and i found your post very interesting. It shown that you have lisening and taken on board what people have said and i believe this is a good thing.
I wish you luck with whatever projects you undertake in the future and hope to see you back on the site again one day as a helper and modorator

Take care

CANLI has started the thread to thank Erdinç for his help with the Turkish language. However the thread has turned out to be criticism of how he used to moderate the site in the past.

I wonder if now those who critisize him dared criticize him when he used to be a moderator.

im little bit late but wana add my useless thoughts as the most useless member of this class ...

yes erdinc was contributing so much..it was hard not to see his posts after every translation request or grammar request..the translation friends need him thousands of thanks...

no...he was not so helpful as a moderator...it was almost impossible to not agree with him...as catwoman said...many members left this site forever like kadir37(who helps to translations,makes fun) few of them still couldnt stand and returned back like aenigma and some of them still just come check and go....

especially his own point of views was unbearable(when he never let others say their own point of views) to be frank...i didnt miss him ..im sure he didnt miss me too

yes slavica dear...he also made rules to create cleaner forum and forbidden (why?????????
????ouh nooooooo
ummmmmmmmmmmm.....
grçktn
ahhhhhhhhhh
allahallaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
türkçem b*k gibi
...aptal....
saw dis....ehuehuehu
bi çektir git yaaaaaaaa
abazaaaaaaaaaaaa
) slang....

but also he restricted cultural forums..and i still remmebered how much we begged for them ..so i wont miss..u can

No need for reminding me THAT MUCH, dear

I remember those hard times very well , we passed through them together, sharing the same enthusiasm, making some promises As the result, we have free Cultural Forums – you can go and see what they do look like

And everybody here is free to miss or not miss anyone I think that this topic is real proof for this