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Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!
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12 Jun 2008 Thu 07:41 pm |
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Quoting CANLI:
Here in the past,Christian women used to wear viel over their heads,because its ayip to show their hairs
And in village,women still same,Muslims or Christians no differences
And men do NOT force them too,many of our women have their own minds
İ say many,because there are some who are controlled by men also
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Canli, it is almost perfect what you are saying above.
Could you tell me what will happen to your marriage if you suddenly decide to show your hair and wear a mini skirt?
I know it is a hypothetical question.
But I will appreciate if you answer.
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12 Jun 2008 Thu 07:54 pm |
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All I have to say here is given the amount spent on products to enhance ones attractiveness and desirability, the proliferation of male enhancement products, there seems to be a real problem between the sexes in Western society.
Maybe the ho hum situation IS something to think about? DId you ever hear the song. Why on earth are there so many Western women PAYING for male attention in Turkey if everything is going so well in your own countries?
The Thrill is gone?
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12 Jun 2008 Thu 08:18 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom:
Canli, it is almost perfect what you are saying above.
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handsome,what is perfect in what im saying above ?!
Muslims women and Christians women ARE wearing vields in villages
Quoting thehandsom:
Could you tell me what will happen to your marriage if you suddenly decide to show your hair and wear a mini skirt?
I know it is a hypothetical question.
But I will appreciate if you answer. |
Well,let's not say mini skirt because it would be wild imagination to take off hijab and wear mini skirt unless im forced on hijab,so its way too far,but let's say if i take of hijab not that i will ever consider it of course
But if i did,while im married i think he may not like it and try talk to me through it,but in the end,he will have to accept it!
You see,in marriage usually people who are close in their ways of thinking they got married
So in my case,i wouldnt pick someone who is conservative to marry,or someone who is extreme too
İn other cases,like such it would cause problem
And in another cases too,men would ask their wives to take it off too
So it depends on individuals
My parents were against my hijab
And my father was against my mother hijab way before me,but still she put it on
So,as you see its defferent from man and woman to another.
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12 Jun 2008 Thu 08:56 pm |
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Quoting alameda:
All I have to say here is given the amount spent on products to enhance ones attractiveness and desirability, the proliferation of male enhancement products, there seems to be a real problem between the sexes in Western society.
Maybe the ho hum situation IS something to think about? DId you ever hear the song. Why on earth are there so many Western women PAYING for male attention in Turkey if everything is going so well in your own countries?
The Thrill is gone? |
Attack as a form of defense, old, played out trick. This video is about gender separation and presumably it causing backwardness. We can of course have another video about the abhorrent beauty practices in the West. If you want to hear more about it, I recommend this link: Beauty and Mysogyny in the West.
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12 Jun 2008 Thu 10:26 pm |
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Sorry, the link didn't work....and the other one was very boring. Anyway, I thought it was about gender relations. Key words here 'presumably it causing backwardness.'
' Birth rates in European countries recently have reached a historic low, with the largest and most recent fall occurring in Eastern Europe. '
In fact it's so bad in Europe that incentives have to be implemented....
Government Incentives
While I do think population growth is a serious matter, I wonder if there may be other issues here?
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12 Jun 2008 Thu 10:32 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Sorry, the link didn't work....and the other one was very boring. Anyway, I thought it was about gender relations. |
Which link didn't work? The last one I gave about beauty and misogyny? If so, then go to ffiles.net -> "shows" tab -> archives -> scroll down to "Beauty and Misogyny" by Sheila Jeffreys.
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13 Jun 2008 Fri 04:32 am |
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Sorry double post 
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13 Jun 2008 Fri 04:32 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Since you accept those incursions are not solving the problem, why on earth we keep entering northern iraq with the promises from army such as 'this is it..we will finish them this time' and then killing 200-300-500 and get our soldiers killed? |
What should we do since politicians are not able to produce some politics for south-east because of known reasons? Everybody knows PKK is feding up from drug smuggling and supported by the Kurds in Iraq. When terrorists kill your citizens, you should also kill them thats what the people wants, simple i think.
Quoting thehandsom: See, even you realize that it is not the solution!!
Then, why are we NOT pursuing REAL solutions then? |
Mr.thehandsom i think i expalined this you dont read carefully.
Quoting thehandsom: we going there, killing some young people, they come back, killing our soldiers |
This shows ur sincerety, you cannot even call terrorists as terrorists. You can go by with that young people Mr.thehandsom, read Baskın Oran more maybe he will give some powerpoint lessons to you also .
Quoting thehandsom: We (Turks and Kurds) have to live together. It is the real objective!!
Now tell me! did 'going into northern iraq' (more than 25 times) bring us closer to that objective or not? |
Yes it is real objective but do not forget the citizens of Turkish Republic want to live with the ones who want to live with them. As mentioned before you cannot finish them since all the supports of terrorists be cut. Kurds who are toys of imperialists just like in 20s, simply cannot live with the Turks.
Quoting thehandsom: There are not very many deep states(or deep state descriptions) in Turkey!! Demirel, Ecevit (he never said publicly such as 'Deep state is the Army' but many insinuations) and many politicians publicly explained what deep state is. |
Did i say something like there are many deep states? I said there are many counter guerilla groups which organized by CIA and each had different aim. Ecevit also mentioned the counter gurellia groups and their CIA connection.
Quoting thehandsom: But this group always worked for the army with the knowledge of army!! |
Ja sure, Army gave Turkish Army uniforms to terrorists who killed the civilians, later proved they were made in Armenia. Thats nonsense, you mean anarchy is caused by army which is the founder of this Republic.
Quoting thehandsom: Why do you think many times some genarals are coming up and saying 'I know him, he is a nationalist' for the people taken to courts? |
Actually he said that he is good sergeant not nationalist, do not bastardize thehandsom. What you want him to say he worked with him for years even if he called to give statement in court, he would say the same thing. Also it is cleared that bombing was performed by terrorists and the aim of the bombing is to weaken the army by accusing Genderme Headquarters of Turkish army.
Quoting thehandsom: I dont think I can be kurdish-racist since I am not kurdish. And I will be glad if you show me inconsistencies in my posts |
Thats not important if you are Kurdish or not, i said this because of your writings here, and it still holds Mr.thehandsom. All your posts in this forum is one-sided, i also doubt when you say something good about Turkey because in my point of view you have been never sincere. When an ordinary Turk, read your posts here, be sure that they will say the same thing to you, your agenda is clear as day. I think it is enough.
Quoting thehandsom: Look, nationalism always requires enemies. it requires 'them'..There is always us and them in matches etc but many other citizens of other countries see 'them' as enemies as we (Turks) do. |
Another bad description of nationalism by thehandsom.
Quoting thehandsom: a tiny example here: the mother of the boy who knifed british hooligans to death, was saying on the telly, 'she was very proud of what her son did'. That type of behaviour can only be explained years and years of 'shovenistic brain washing'. She was just proud his son killed some of 'them' when he found the opportunity and he showed how nationalist he was and how much he loved his country. |
 , good example of ultraslan fanatics and you reached the conclusion “shovenistic brainwashing†because of his mother said, maybe she grown up with the tales of Nihal Atsız .
Quoting thehandsom: I cant understand really, when it comes to other ideas of ataturk we are easy to forget them but when it comes to nationalism it is that hard. An example of them is 'state control'-devletcilik and we easily forgot it because it was not suitable with the free economic model. Ataturk's ideas are not god given. He himself was a revolutionist. |
, Unfortunately, we lost “state-control†when Ataturk died Mr.thehandsom. And since then we do not product anything in Turkey. Actually the main aim of “state control†is to encourage productivity of the nation and do the actions for benefits of folk and the state. It also encourages private sector under the control of state. So saying it is not suitable for free-economic model is simply absurd. What happened we suddenly entered the free-econonomic model, it only accelerated the colonisation Turkey by imperialists, now we are not economically independent with billions of debts, thanks to Özal & Çiller. Just look at Cuba, dony they do trading in the world? . Simply say i hate Ataturk instead of saying “Ataturk ideas are not god givenâ€, as far as i remember noone mentioned him as a god. Btw such a nice usage of word god from an atheist.
Quoting thehandsom: Kurdish problem is in our borders..Do not look for the reasons outside..
Reading 'sark islahat plani' thread might be a good start to understand what the real problem is. |
 , Reading “Seyh Said Rebellion†maybe a good start for you i think, do not come to “Şark Islahat Planı†before the “Seyh Sait Rebellionâ€, and then maybe you can understand if it is in our borders or not, Mr.thehandsom .
Quoting thehandsom: we have to learn to live together peacefully..what are you going to to do with 15 million kurds then? |
Read avaloncravens post and see what we are going to do with 15 million Kurds. Btw good post avaloncraven, you deserve more than two pennies .
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13 Jun 2008 Fri 09:45 am |
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Quoting alameda:
All I have to say here is given the amount spent on products to enhance ones attractiveness and desirability, the proliferation of male enhancement products, there seems to be a real problem between the sexes in Western society. |
I don't think so, at least I haven't noticed any of my friends being enslaved by the urge to enhance ourselves. Sure people (and thus women as well) like to look good but only few are extreme in that. Besides, take into consideration the fact that we show all our face (and legs and cleavage and arms) so we try to keep it aesthetic. Muslim women who show just the eyes use no make-up, right? Sorry hun, no matter how much you show, you always want to 'enhance' your looks.
At least the west didn't go for the hymen reconstruction plastic surgeries that are a real liberation of Muslim women. Yesterday I watched a TV program about them. Imagine, even in Poland, a country with a really low number of Muslims, there's a huge demand of hymen reconstruction surgeries. Why? Because many German or Dutch Muslims come to have it done. Now that's what I call extreme make-over
Quote: Why on earth are there so many Western women PAYING for male attention in Turkey if everything is going so well in your own countries? |
Why the hell do Turkish boys sell themselves? The answer is simple - it is alışverış. I see no difference between a guy paying for a woman's drinks in the bar in Ibiza and a woman buying a guy a watch in Turkey. Those who pay want sex, those paid provide it. Kind of like prostitution but veiled.
Then, there are of course those who fall in love, but that's quite a low percentage. Then it's usually about young Turks desperately looking for chance to runaway from their homeland. Quite surprising really, as Turkey is such a great country and west is nothing to look up to...
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13 Jun 2008 Fri 09:57 am |
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Quoting alameda:
' Birth rates in European countries recently have reached a historic low, with the largest and most recent fall occurring in Eastern Europe. '
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Yes, unfortunately they did..all because of this ridiculous idea that women should be free to choose a career instead of motherhood. Too bad the weak western men cannot force them into having 6 children! I say - don't let women into universities. Cynicmistic's idea was not bad - compulsory army service for men, compulsory breeding for women. The corrupt west could learn something from extended Muslim families!
Long live compulsory procreation
What's freedom of choice if your country's natural growth index is in danger?
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13 Jun 2008 Fri 01:38 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: What's freedom of choice if your country's natural growth index is in danger? |
I think your free choice should be to patriotically raise more of your own kind! Russians, Turks... etc. Doesn't matter that 90% of the 6 billion polluting the Earth doesn't have enough food to eat, the real world problem is that we don't have enough Turks/Russians/etc...!!!
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