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2300.       KeithL
1455 posts
 04 Jun 2008 Wed 06:23 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

I don't agree with many of their sayings, but I don't think they are real racists either. To be honest, I think it was mainly a problem of English. Often they posted a racist sentence, but when they later explained it, it turned out to be not so racist as it looked at first.

Yet, I wonder what this habit of TC is to keep discussing members that are gone, especially by people who are happy to see those members have gone



I agree with this too. Patriotic and nationalist, but I don't believe racist...

2301.       KeithL
1455 posts
 04 Jun 2008 Wed 06:26 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting Avalon:

Quoting CANLI:

handsom,in what region/city in Türkiye were you from ?

Canli hairy never says that like he is ashamed of his origin))))tut,tut,tut


Ohhh i never meant that,but actually he raised many questions in my mind related to that,so i asked.


I have never ever been ashamed of about where I am from..
You are wrong on that (again!! )



Then why have you always been so reluctant to shre this information?

2302.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Jun 2008 Wed 06:29 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

I don't think the problem with BSB was what they thought but how they expressed it. They were biased, one-sided and aggressive, which didn't actually add them credibility. If you think that they were criticised because they love they country, you must have missed 90% of their posts. Though I wouldn't call them racists, they clearly are nationalists and nationalism is not something good like patriotism. They live in a world of paranoia - everybody is out to get them - the USA has a plan to divide them, the Kurds, who, by the way, have no problem with being Turkish, want to take over half of their country, the whole west wants to dominate Turkey. The only point is why. That's what they never explained. Turkey, although surely interesting, is neither a supremacy nor a unique location. BSBs way of debating reminds me somewhat of Achmet The Dead Terrorist - Silence! I kill you!

I know they're probably young and thus more likely to perceive things in black and white only, and I know English is not their native tongue, but they pushed it, most users here aren't native English speakers as well. It'll do them good to calm down, maybe go abroad and see some world so that when they return to Turkey they'll see how wrong they were.


Well said!

2303.       lady in red
6947 posts
 04 Jun 2008 Wed 06:43 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting Avalon:

Quoting CANLI:

handsom,in what region/city in Türkiye were you from ?

Canli hairy never says that like he is ashamed of his origin))))tut,tut,tut


Ohhh i never meant that,but actually he raised many questions in my mind related to that,so i asked.


I have never ever been ashamed of about where I am from..
You are wrong on that (again!! )



Then why have you always been so reluctant to shre this information?



Maybe because its none of anyone's business. Actually, I don't understand the relevance to TC - why should we need to know what part of a country someone was born in? And anyone could say anything - I could tell you I was born in Liverpool, London, Manchester, anywhere in England - how would you know whether or not I was telling the truth?

:-S

2304.       CANLI
5084 posts
 05 Jun 2008 Thu 01:33 am

Quoting Daydreamer:

The only point is why.


Because Türkiye is one of the gates to the Middle East and Asia also
Why would the West 'UK' and USA interested in the Middle East and Asia,you can ask them that
We gladly welcome their departure form here !
So,to think that its TOTALLY wrong what you have stated above would be consider a bit naive !

2305.       catwoman
8933 posts
 05 Jun 2008 Thu 01:37 am

Quoting KeithL:

Then why have you always been so reluctant to shre this information?


Don't you think it's his personal business where he's from?

2306.       CANLI
5084 posts
 05 Jun 2008 Thu 01:40 am

Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:



I am sure Canli and Avalon would similarly have defended Hitler! lol lol lol



Hitting two birds with one stone are we ?
So was this meant to be for me,or for them ,or for both of us ?!
Are you suggesting they are like Hitler now ? or do you mean i am racists for defending them or what ?!!!
Accusing people about things because you dont agree with them is not what we can call tolerance is it ?!

See,there is not much difference between West and East now is there ?!
Even difference in Traditions ,in believes...ect
But STİLL,both tend to attack who doesnt agree with them in different ways of course
İ guess its a Human thing

2307.       geniuda
1070 posts
 05 Jun 2008 Thu 01:57 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting Daydreamer:

I don't think the problem with BSB was what they thought but how they expressed it. They were biased, one-sided and aggressive, which didn't actually add them credibility. If you think that they were criticised because they love they country, you must have missed 90% of their posts. Though I wouldn't call them racists, they clearly are nationalists and nationalism is not something good like patriotism. They live in a world of paranoia - everybody is out to get them - the USA has a plan to divide them, the Kurds, who, by the way, have no problem with being Turkish, want to take over half of their country, the whole west wants to dominate Turkey. The only point is why. That's what they never explained. Turkey, although surely interesting, is neither a supremacy nor a unique location. BSBs way of debating reminds me somewhat of Achmet The Dead Terrorist - Silence! I kill you!

I know they're probably young and thus more likely to perceive things in black and white only, and I know English is not their native tongue, but they pushed it, most users here aren't native English speakers as well. It'll do them good to calm down, maybe go abroad and see some world so that when they return to Turkey they'll see how wrong they were.


Well said!


I second that

2308.       KeithL
1455 posts
 05 Jun 2008 Thu 04:12 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

Then why have you always been so reluctant to shre this information?


Don't you think it's his personal business where he's from?



It is personal of course and no one is forcing him. My only observation is this. In my entire life, I have never met anyone who declined to answer where they are from when asked. I find this very, very strange.

2309.       catwoman
8933 posts
 05 Jun 2008 Thu 06:19 am

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

Then why have you always been so reluctant to shre this information?


Don't you think it's his personal business where he's from?



It is personal of course and no one is forcing him. My only observation is this. In my entire life, I have never met anyone who declined to answer where they are from when asked. I find this very, very strange.


I don't find it strange at all, judging by the way he was "asked". He was ridiculed and challenged as part of a childish game. Since it is nobody's business what part of Turkey thehandsom is from, I find it very strange that people keep on making a big deal out of it.

2310.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 05 Jun 2008 Thu 10:09 am

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting Daydreamer:

The only point is why.


Because Türkiye is one of the gates to the Middle East and Asia also
Why would the West 'UK' and USA interested in the Middle East and Asia,you can ask them that
We gladly welcome their departure form here !
So,to think that its TOTALLY wrong what you have stated above would be consider a bit naive !



I don't think it's more naive than seeing land-hungry enemies everywhere and using scheme maps from 2004 for that. Besides,Turkey is no enemy of the USA, au contraire, it's a US supporter so why should the US go on a war with Turkey if they get what they want from them anyway? Iraq is a different thing. US will put a US favourable government there and that's all.

Besides, you missed one point there - BSB would say there are no problems with Kurds and, at the same time, they'd say that the US supports Kurdish separation. What separation if there are no Kurds unhappy with Turkish nationalism? They would gladly see enemies everywhere. That's actually a must of nationalism. It was the same with Hitler - there were enemies of the Reich, to save his motherland he just had to show them to people. And he did have proofs of it! Hence, bence, Ae's Hitler metaphor that surprised you. Nationalism is nationalism, no matter what country it is.

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