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Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!
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05 Jun 2008 Thu 10:43 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting geniuda: the exact place in TR where he landed it is still a mystery  |
I don't think that matters  Most Turks I know have more hair than I have had on my entire body for all my life, and Im including all the ones I have waxed, shaved, cut, regularly lost |
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06 Jun 2008 Fri 12:03 am |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: Then why have you always been so reluctant to shre this information? |
Don't you think it's his personal business where he's from? |
It is personal of course and no one is forcing him. My only observation is this. In my entire life, I have never met anyone who declined to answer where they are from when asked. I find this very, very strange.
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You are really bizzare!! 
If you can tell me "one good reason" about how it might be related to what I write here, I will be happy to say where I am from..
Many of friends already know it.
I pmed canli for example the other night with the info.
why should I post and bother others with that insignificant info?
pm me..ask politely..I will tell..
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06 Jun 2008 Fri 03:59 am |
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Quoting Daydreamer:
Besides,Turkey is no enemy of the USA, au contraire, it's a US supporter
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Thats why US doesnt enter a war with Türkiye
Quoting Daydreamer:
so why should the US go on a war with Turkey if they get what they want from them anyway? |
Because they dont get what they want from them anyway !
The İraq war is a good example too
So in return,although USA and UK occupy İraq,and surely protecting the borders is their responsibilities
Or their puppet government 'İf US ordered them of course' but still it didnt stop the PKK and their attacks,by protecting the borders of the country under their authorities
So made a mess and let Türkiye handle it
İt will be gain by all means
- Will keep İraq occupied in a war with Türkiye and save USA and UK some headache
- Will make Türkiye occupied in a war with PKK and may need or ask for USA help ...what a catch 
- USA will be against the Turkish operation in the first as a peace maker 'as it happened',then will agree with it,because its looking for its allay interests 'making Türkiye a favor as if turkish will buy it '
- Türkiye will lose its credibility in both the Middle East and the İslamic world for fighting İraq
Türkiye was smart enough not falling in it and the operations were limited as they have said ,and we were smart enough not condemning Türkiye too,so they didnt lose their credibility
İf this is how allaies plays for each other favors,i dont want to think about how will they play against
We have proverb says ' Oh God YOU handle my friends,but my enemies i will handle'
Quoting Daydreamer:
Besides, you missed one point there - BSB would say there are no problems with Kurds and, at the same time, they'd say that the US supports Kurdish separation. What separation if there are no Kurds unhappy with Turkish nationalism? |
Well,i didnt miss it,only they are not around to reply or explain so i felt we shouldnt discuss it but still it make sense to me in the concept of war is HELL !
They say there is no problem with Kurd because they see them as Turkish 'Citezens' and they would have same problems just like any Turk in the same areas Kurds live in
On the other hand,if you live in a country,and because of many reasons,wars,politics,...ect through the years it vanished and been into another many countries
Even if you are happy living in those countries,even if you have the rights as a citizen of that country,you still would want to have your country back no matter how many years passed,right ?!
So it make sense
And also it make sense citizen of those countries will be against seperations,no ?!
Quoting Daydreamer:
They would gladly see enemies everywhere. That's actually a must of nationalism. It was the same with Hitler - there were enemies of the Reich, to save his motherland he just had to show them to people. And he did have proofs of it! Hence, bence, Ae's Hitler metaphor that surprised you. Nationalism is nationalism, no matter what country it is. |
Thats what my Dictonary says about Nationalism
-Love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it
-The doctrine that your national culture and interests are superior to any other
-The aspiration for national independence felt by people under foreign domination
-The doctrine that nations should act independently (rather than collectively) to attain their goals
So as you see,you can have your pick of the kind of Nationalism you should have,or you shouldnt have for all it matters !
So,why would you assume that they took Hitler's chioce of it ?!
İ never read any post for them saying that Türkiye should dominate or such as !
İ have my pick also from this,and i think nationalism is great
İ love my country,and i would have fight for it if its under foreign domination
that would makes me Hitler ?!
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06 Jun 2008 Fri 06:31 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Well,i didnt miss it,only they are not around to reply or explain so i felt we shouldnt discuss it but still it make sense to me in the concept of war is HELL !
Thats what my Dictonary says about Nationalism
-Love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it
-The doctrine that your national culture and interests are superior to any other -The aspiration for national independence felt by people under foreign domination
-The doctrine that nations should act independently (rather than collectively) to attain their goals
So as you see,you can have your pick of the kind of Nationalism you should have,or you shouldnt have for all it matters ! So,why would you assume that they took Hitler's chioce of it ?!
İ never read any post for them saying that Türkiye should dominate or such as ! İ have my pick also from this,and i think nationalism is great İ love my country,and i would have fight for it if its under foreign domination
that would makes me Hitler ?!
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I for one am sad to see Lapinkulta and Janissary leave. I'm not surprised they did, or that so many of our former members have left annoyed and frustrated. The ever diplomatic vineyards has left....can you people get a grip on what you are doing....or is it intentional?
Why should they stay? Certain members here insult them, and Turkish culture over and over again. They don't listen, instead they arrogantly talk about how they 'love' Turkey....but if one reads carefully it's obvious they like the country, not the people or the culture.(maybe certain people who conform to their ideas of how one should be)
You can't even let them use a toilet in peace, but you have to go on about how they s**t making fun of how they 'do' it. Like your wiped but unwashed bottom and sit toilet is better?
Turkey has big problems now. The PKK thing is serious, very serious. There are subtleties few here have any real comprehension about. Some have even suggested Turkey give part of their land to be Kurdistan or part of Armenia....and you wonder why people are upset. You call them paranoid? Are you crazy?
Turkey is part of the Fertile Crescent...the headwaters of the Tigress and Euphrates are there. They have miles of coast...everyone wants waterfront property. Many wars have been fought over just that. Of course they are nationalistic and why not? It's their country and they want to defend it. Can anyone blame them for that?
In case you have any doubts...take a look at the
Map of the New Middle East
The Turkish Protest at NATO’s Military College in Rome
Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters’ map of the “New Middle East†has sparked angry reactions in Turkey. According to Turkish press releases on September 15, 2006 the map of the “New Middle East†was displayed in NATO’s Military College in Rome, Italy. It was additionally reported that Turkish officers were immediately outraged by the presentation of a portioned and segmented Turkey.8 The map received some form of approval from the U.S. National War Academy before it was unveiled in front of NATO officers in Rome.
The Turkish Chief of Staff, General Buyukanit, contacted the U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Peter Pace, and protested the event and the exhibition of the redrawn map of the Middle East, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.9 Furthermore the Pentagon has gone out of its way to assure Turkey that the map does not reflect official U.S. policy and objectives in the region, but this seems to be conflicting with Anglo-American actions in the Middle East and NATO-garrisoned Afghanistan.
This is like an echo of the
Sykes-Picot Agreement
....in 1916...so...just maybe there is a reason to be suspicious of foreigners intentions....hmmm?
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06 Jun 2008 Fri 09:03 am |
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Canli, I'm not going to quote popular dictionary definitions, but there is a difference between patriotism and nationalism. BSB have shown the former rather than the latter - when they judged Bulent Ersoy, when they talked about banished writers and intellectuals. Their attitude was 'the only thing that matters is Turkey' - the rights of individuals come second. But it's not really why I think it's better they left. I don't mind anyone having whatever ideas. Their eagerness to insult everyone and pose threads is the reason. And, frankly speaking, I find it surprising that you, always being fair and polite, don't mind that.
As you noticed yourself - USA don't want war with Turkey. But, according to BSB, USA wanted to take it over, as did UK , Greece and I don't remember what else. They got paranoid, looked for terrorist plots and supporters everywhere and that lost them.
Alameda - girl, read the archives. The Middle East Plan has been already discussed, accounted for and proven ridiculous. I can't remember what thread it was in, but it should be in my archive.
Also, try to imagine that people are free to say what they think and to have a sense of humour. Laughing at toilets means insulting a country? That's unheard of. How come you write about Israeli terrorists? Isn't that insulting? Or, isn't it insulting that you snap at everyone who dares not to go down on his knees every time they hear Turkey, Islam or whatever? Be so lovey-dovey for the world first and then judge. As for people who were in favour of giving Kurds the right to vote whether they'd like to separate from Turkey, I can understand them although I don't agree with them . After all, Turkey supported Kosovo's independence. If a county like Turkey applauds land-theft, why shouldn't it be consequent and do the same on their own backyard? 
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06 Jun 2008 Fri 11:21 am |
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Quoting Daydreamer: After all, Turkey supported Kosovo's independence. If a county like Turkey applauds land-theft, why shouldn't it be consequent and do the same on their own backyard?
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when did Turkey support Kosovo`s independence?
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06 Jun 2008 Fri 01:42 pm |
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Quoting tamikidakika: Quoting Daydreamer: After all, Turkey supported Kosovo's independence. If a county like Turkey applauds land-theft, why shouldn't it be consequent and do the same on their own backyard?
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when did Turkey support Kosovo`s independence? |
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06 Jun 2008 Fri 08:19 pm |
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Quote: You can't even let them use a toilet in peace, but you have to go on about how they s**t making fun of how they 'do' it. Like your wiped but unwashed bottom and sit toilet is better? |
I wasn't making fun of them, just thought it was odd. It's ok if I comment, but receive comments back that I waste toilet paper.  Who cares? Just like some ladies in Europe who don't shave their arm pits..I also think this is disgusting.. But I guess I'm wasting deoderant.. Why do you get so upset with thinking this is offensive? I don't understand. 
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06 Jun 2008 Fri 11:46 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting tamikidakika: Quoting Daydreamer: After all, Turkey supported Kosovo's independence. If a county like Turkey applauds land-theft, why shouldn't it be consequent and do the same on their own backyard?
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when did Turkey support Kosovo`s independence? |
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supporting the independence of an unformed country and recognizing it after it gets recognized by many other countries are two different things.
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07 Jun 2008 Sat 01:30 am |
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recognizing Kosovo as independent country was a mistake of international politics.This autonomy should not have been recognized under international law.It is totally artificial creature as Kosovo has never been independent country in its history..well,Silesian claims ..funny in a way could be recognized as right in this aspect as Silesia used to be historically independent with central prince power and ecomony(sorry,just a thought reminding me of Polish history,justified claim in a way..)Kosovo case reminds me of Israel..sorry adm..aritificial creature after 2nd world war...never existing on a map..real threat to world's peace...just like a bomb waiting to go off..
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07 Jun 2008 Sat 01:40 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Because they dont get what they want from them anyway !
The İraq war is a good example too
So in return,although USA and UK occupy İraq,and surely protecting the borders is their responsibilities
Or their puppet government 'İf US ordered them of course' but still it didnt stop the PKK and their attacks,by protecting the borders of the country under their authorities
So made a mess and let Türkiye handle it
İt will be gain by all means
- Will keep İraq occupied in a war with Türkiye and save USA and UK some headache
- Will make Türkiye occupied in a war with PKK and may need or ask for USA help ...what a catch
- USA will be against the Turkish operation in the first as a peace maker 'as it happened',then will agree with it,because its looking for its allay interests 'making Türkiye a favor as if turkish will buy it '
- Türkiye will lose its credibility in both the Middle East and the İslamic world for fighting İraq
Türkiye was smart enough not falling in it and the operations were limited as they have said ,and we were smart enough not condemning Türkiye too,so they didnt lose their credibility
İf this is how allaies plays for each other favors,i dont want to think about how will they play against
We have proverb says ' Oh God YOU handle my friends,but my enemies i will handle' |
Good observations but missing lots of dots. These are maybe short-term targets. Middle-east is a deep dark well. As for the Kurdish issue part, it is also known that since Arab-Israeli war Kurds are in contact with CIA & Mossad and still continues. And after the first Gulf war including PKK, Kurds went under the control of USA. So it is not possible to get rid of PKK with USA. Uğur Mumcu realised this and wrote seeing future before he bombed . He wrote in his column ““If Kurds are freedom fighters,making war against colonial expansion, whats the mission of CIA and Mossad with Kurds? Or, CIA &Mossad were fighting against antiimperalism and the world could not notice this?â€.
The thing people here could not understand that Turkia is unable to develop politics for south-east. The ones who tries to develop annihilated. Be sure that all of them Kurdish issue related. And by this government Turkia is unable to develop politics for the whole country. As far as i remember our “the handsom†member related them to deep state of Turkia even PKK issue. But his knowledge about deep state is like his history knowledge. The so-called deep-state is nothing but betrayers who permeated into the state especially in MIT, who are in contact with CIA & Mossad. Mumcu got realised this and killed. So it is clear that Turks and Kurds cannot live together anymore since they were promised by imperialists. They are also using Kurds to threaten Iran, building very big airports, army centers, in North Iraq by the help of them And for the last years, PKK is trying to be legalised by them, first step came from EU Brussels. Shortly Kurds are the latest subcontarctors of global forces who fed up with bloody money.
Quoting Daydreamer: But it's not really why I think it's better they left. I don't mind anyone having whatever ideas. Their eagerness to insult everyone and pose threads is the reason. And, frankly speaking, I find it surprising that you, always being fair and polite, don't mind that. |
Actually most of the active Turkish users left the site because of unjustiness of moderator. Imagine a moderator, do not respect people opinions, swear and insult more than members, obsessed with Islam, history and pride of Turks. As a result Turkish members continually provoked by some members and at last they lost their control.Finally the site becomes a place like; let me express this with a Turkish idiom shortly “Kendiniz çalıp kendiniz oynuyorsunuzâ€.
Quoting Daydreamer: They got paranoid, looked for terrorist plots and supporters everywhere and that lost them. |
Paranoid?? Just have a look to Americans to see paranoids. Let me quote again from Mumcu, he wrote in 1984 in his column “ Members of US congress who announced 24th April genocide date and who supports Armenian terrorist organizations, are the descendants of Americans who tried to establish and Armenian state on our lands in 1920â€. This written in 1984 and today seems nothing changed and Turks are paranoids huh?
Quoting Avalon: I am not Turkish but of Turkish origin and believe me my family never consider themselves racists although their opinions are so close not to say the same like jan's and lapin's.Strange,perhaps the point of view changes when u emigrate as a Turk abroad and get the grasp of so called reform wind?no idea! |
Do not take him serious, he do not represent the Turkey, just explains his opinions like everybody. But it seems he has a different agenda. He confuses all terms like nationalistic-patriotic-racist. It is the fact that Turkia is based on Atatürk nationalism, i dont doubt he will call Atatürk nationalism as racism. We see what happens if it is corrupted nowadays. If one invalidates this, country becomes a bloody lake. Will be like free-democratic Iraq , shiites are killing sunnis, sunnis are killing shiites, Kurds killing Turkmens.
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