people come as pears, go as pears  

It might be the time for Avalon to come back

My mind is always at rest.. As I said, I was worrying about user Bs and Cs if there was an amnesty..

That is all..

This is a good news and a great criteria that Turkey is becoming more tolerant and there is more freedom..

I am proud of this.. I really am.

Thanks for the article..

Well, I am not sure that is the result of the constitutional changes or generic behavior of the Turkish judiciary. 

But where were you guys when hundreds of writers were in the courts because of 301 (the old constitution you have been so passionate to save), did you open your mouth when there were thousands of cases of human rights abuses, tortures, killings because of the power given to the authorities with the old constitution? Did you feel ashamed when Turkey was convicted in EU human right courts because our own citizens could not find the justice in our biased judiciary or  prosecute the torturers, the killers with our constitution?  

 I wish you could follow up all other cases in the past but i am glad you are following up these type of cases now.

Well obviously, that tells us something.. is it not?

I think there is no need to say that Turkey is one of the worst countries in the world as far as distribution of wealth concerned.. ´The elite´ gets the chunk of the wealth.. (I dont think I need to mention that people in izmir belongs to that elite) ..of course, that elite is fighting with everything in order to keep the things are as it is. They dont care about the democracy or human rights or anything.. (that is clear from the tables..) They did not vote for the constitutional amendments.. All they care is to keep what they have.. They are the protector of the status quo. The status quo which is not enough for the proper democracy has to go/ a better democracy has to come and  people are trying to do it with voting /parliament/ the means of democracy... (btw..if the people voted with the idea that they were voting for the amendments not for political parties, the yes votes would have been much much higher)   

What do you have in your hands in the end now? To tell people that ´democracy is NOT a good thing, look at Iraq´? 

Obviously, people of Turkey,  think the opposite and it is not a winning argument..

Well, obviously when I offer myself as a gift to all TCers, I will make sure you and the personS who liked above message, will be excluded too.. And I will be offering my own home made apple-dry-sultana-blackberry wine (it will be ready for bottling in 2 months). You have no idea what you have missed

I knew that..

why dont you modify your post into something like ´all TCers minus 1 person´ or similar..

I am sure you "did NOT mean" all TCers..

Just before going to bed, you made me laugh here..

So, you have given up and accepted  "NO voters had almost nothing to do with the ammendments but political´  but trying to prove YES voters were politically motivated too? 

Hay allah ya..

Look,  clearly, it was the constitution of a coup (everybody accepts it).. That is the bottom line!!

The thickist line is, of course, "The Anatolian people are not as ignorant as you think"

You WERE like a sheep!!


We always used to see you  as ignorant, uneducated and an obstacle of the advancement of this country..We would see you  as you and your continuing conservatism would never understand us as the educated, enlightened and the real owner of this country. This was making us really content. But if you accepted the  enlighten that we were giving you, if you were like us, how happy we would be..

As you know, we established this country........


what did you do now? you proved you are ignorant, again, you have given 58 % YES to some higgledy-piggledy questions as if you did understand what it was about as if your capacity is enough to understand the problems of Turkey. See, we would continue to think like that happily because  we liked our assumptions this way. We would be happy with our privileges with our superiority and we would console ourselves with your ignorance for each problem.. 

But a survey smashed our dreams into pieces and confused our minds about  who is more ignorant, who is more biased, who is more status quo supporter..

Is it true my brother, when asked why you voted YES in the referendum and third of them in first four are :
-You thought Turkey will be more free 58.2 %
-You wanted to change the constitution of coup 42.4 %
-You wanted the judiciary to be independent 29.9 %

is it true my brother you gave above answers?

We always assumed only us, people who lived in the west of Turkey, on the shores, would protect values like  ´freedom, coup, independent  judiciary´. Our brains were conditioned to think like that.. Why did you smash our dream world,  my brother, what are we going to protect now? how can we exist with our  status quo with which we even supported the coup, only to be against AKP.

We would continue to say "You are like a sheep" brother

We would say ´this ignorant people´ were guilty of all these, my brother..
we were glad to get away from our traumas that way by brother..
We were making ourselves relaxed this way and always being right was sweet..
What did you do to us my brother?


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Above is an article, written for the people who think that people who voted for YES because they are ignorant and backwards!!

This is the news where it shows the survey about the people why they said YES or NO:
http://www.haber3.com/turkiye-neden-evethayir-dedi-605624h.htm

in a nutshell

why people said NO?
-I did not want AKP to settle in the governement 48%
-I said NO to Erdogan 46%
-I did not want the goverment to capture the judiciary 40%
-I did not want Erdogan to escape from judiciary 28%

why people said YES?
-I thought Turkey will be more free 58.2 %
-For Erdogan 46%
-I wanted to change the constitution of coup 42.4 %
-I wanted the judiciary to be independent 29.9 %

I dont think above requires any comments but it can clearly be said that :

People who voted YES were voted for the constitution ammendments, people who voted for NO, voted to oppose AKP, not for the contents of the amendments!! (It makes sense because, I know almost everybody opposed this coup constitution.. But for the sake of the politics, the opposition parties supported the constitution of the coup!!)

´Freedom, coup, independent  judiciary etc´ were the concern of the YES voters.. Not the NO voters it seems