All news papers are talking about the applications to the prosecuters about taking 12th of September 1980 coup generals to the court after the referendum results. ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11279881 

It is a great day for Turkey and Turkish democracy!!

Ankara, Istanbul, Izmir.. Everywhere.. 

Turkish people have broken the chains of 12th of September.. 

This is a double festival!! 

The best ever festival for last 30 years..

http://www.samanyoluhaber.com/h_451304_darbeciler-hakkinda-suc-duyurusu.html

http://www.radikal.com.tr/Radikal.aspx?aType=RadikalDetay&ArticleID=1018714&Date=13.09.2010&CategoryID=77

http://www.zaman.com.tr/haber.do?haberno=1027030&title=darbecilere-yargi-yolu-acildi

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/15768672.asp?gid=373

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One of his famous sayings was  ´dont hang them? do you expect us to feed them instead´ when he was trying to justify the hangings.. 

I guess some people always bring their entourage ..

Apart from some state mouth piece  historians, almost all historians agree on the events happened in Balkans during Ottomani period..

Obviously, there was a christian population there with Serbs/Greeks/Bosnians/Albanians / Bulgarians/Croatians etc , when Ottomans conquered that part.. As we all know, when Ottoman empire was loosing its lands millions of people had to leave the places where they were living and born.

Millions immigrated to Turkey from Balkans (even after 1923, there was a population exchange)..We call them ´muhacirs´. So who were those muhacirs? Insisting that ´ah but they were all Turks´ wont make any sense because we know that there was a mass conversions from Christianity. (We almost all proud of it) We know that some soldiers which went there, stayed there. There were also some Turkmen tribes, some government sponsored ´kolonizator dervisler´- Ottomani islamic missionaries-. But simply those numbers were not enough to create Turkish-Islamic millions there.. Infact, many right wing nationalists in Balkans still insist that  their  Turkish islamic minority are the ones whose great great great parents were subjected to ´forced conversions´. Well of course, the forced conversion is a bit of a cock and bull story but we know that there were serious encouragements for converting people into Islam.. 

Anyway, cutting it short, it was a huge success story as far as how peaceful those masses of people were converted into a religion. Many of them immigrated to Turkey before and after the WWI. (That also explains why we dont look like Turks in central Asia  and why Turkish genes are quite low in people of Turkey today)

But since we dont care about the races and where our families come from, it should not bother us if some of us are having  Chethniks / Croats / Greeks or Bulgarians etc ancestors. Right?

It was the right thing to do in my view..

Ps..

I was planning to mention about "how old Greek and Christian people of Trabzon were made muslims and Turks in years after Istanbul was conquered". I will postpone it or not mention at all

Infact, with this increasing rate of current ´anti Serbianism´, I think I will start talking about possibility of having serbian ancesters some Turks might have..

The result is 58% YES , 42 % no..

As I said  "the world has changed..So as Turkey and Turkish people"

Now, one of the implications of it is that, the article no 15, which was giving the coup leaders immunisation from the prosecution.. But not anymore from now on.

There will be some groups asking him to be tried legaly tomorrow morning.. He said he will commit suicide if it happens..

We will see..

I know, some CHP supporters get bitter and never accept the results of these elections..

In the referendum vote why is it ‘not enough but yes’?

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...Turkey has modified its military inspired constitution sixteen times but this time the governmental package contains clauses deeply altering the actual way the military and the judiciary intervene in politics. To counter the power of the judiciary and to enhance the power of elected officials, the proposed changes in the appointment of the Judiciary to the High Council of Judges and Public Prosecutors and to the Constitutional Court are considered the most controversial amendments. ...

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.... These are simply nothing but fights to reach a level of democracy needed in every democratic society. Turkey is settling scores and confronting itself. This is a huge construction site to free the country from the military and legal tutelage of the 1982 Constitution, inspired by the putsch leaders.

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In the end, whatever the result will be, Turkey needs a new social contract, a brand new constitution. If it’s ´yes,´ the constitution process will be sped up and become a priority topic of the next elections due in 2011. If the package is rejected, the new constitution will be shelved for some time because the government’s hand will be weakened. And solutions to our arch-old problems, primarily the Kurdish question, will be delayed again. Make no mistake.

The Diyarbakir Prison

During the Diyarbakir rally last week Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan ...The unbearable reality of the infamous Diyarbakir prison emerges slowly but surely. Opinion leaders in the region and nongovernmental organizations working with those who survived their detention, demand transformation of this monument of shame into a permanent museum; something similar to the “Shame Museum” exhibition based on the Sept. 12, 1980 military coup that opened at the Ankara Modern Arts Center last week by the ’78 Federation. ..
In the aftermath of communism, plenty of similar museums were opened in Europe,   ´Museum of Communism´ in Prague and the ´Sighet Memorial and Museum to the Victims of Communism´ in Romania. Hungarians transformed the main torture center located in the center of Budapest, which was used by fascists first and then by communists, into a ´House of Terror.´ It is of course relatively easy to set-up a museum inspired by a delegitimated ideology. Our task is more difficult because the mentality behind the Diyarbakir prison still stands.

Full article:

http://www.hurriyet..referendum-vote-why-is-it-8216not-enough-but-yes 

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We are seeing very serious changes in Turkey..
Years ago, people who used to say ´we will change, we will modernize ourselves and then we will become a member of the west´ are the biggest enemies of the west today..They are the ones who say ´why do we need EU what is wrong with Russia and Iran´.  Those are the core people who are going to say no in this referendum..

What we are seeing is ´the pain for a change´ in Turkey.  I think it is like giving birth to something new..

(I am not implying that these constitutional changes will bring something and that will be it.. I think ´this referendum and its results´ are just another one in the chain of changes we are witnessing ).

The ideology of  the people,who are saying NO to the constitutional changes, is like  ´the transformation-change- of people/state/country started in 1920s and finished in 1950s. Nothing needs to change but we should preserve what we have´.

The constitution we have in Turkey is from 1982 -made by the military regime- and in fact, the entire 1980 coup was the attempt to take Turkey back into 1930s.. They dreamed of creating a ´militarized nation´.
But the world has changed..So as Turkey and Turkish people..


We will see the results on monday morning..

Well sorry but..(LMO ) You showed a news article from a Turkish sources AND you were like ´THAT IS THE PROOF.. HERE WE GO.. LAY LAY LOM..´ (about PKK terrorist camps in the middle of Europe.. Next to French army !!!)

I searched the net, I could not find it.. In the end I was able to find something in French.. I got it translated and it was not saying what Turkish news paper said!!

Then you asked him.. Now he answered you saying that ´he NEVER SAID IT´. You are NOW saying ´ahh French ministry warned him´  

So what is it you see here and we dont? 

Quoting oeince

Anyone can live without believing that he is right. So I understand you. No matter. 

You can find Bove´s answer below. It seems French Foreign Minisetry warned him

BOVÉ José  Kime: DUGNIOLLE, bana

ayrıntıları görüntüle 30 Ağu (11 gün önce)

Dear Mr ,

I am sorry, this press release has not been recorded.

But I can say that Mr Bové explained that a PKK camp have never been installed in Larzac. It is the french army that is installed there in a military camp ! Larzac is the place of a peaceful movement against violence and army and would have never welcome such activities.  Mr Bové´s words have been twisted !
I hope i answered your question,


Best Regards,
Anne Lacouture
Assistant

Bureau de José Bové
Député Vert/ALE
Vice-président de la commission Agriculture et Développement Rural

 

So I was RIGHT!!!  

Well..

Sorry but as you see, the time is proving me RIGHT

Show me one serious political argument in which I was wrong and proved to be wrong!!

I mentioned which points we were talking about 2/3 years ago and I also mentioned  what people´s perception now about those subjects..

I do appreciate the freedom of speech here. You should too.. Because how would you know 3 years ago, Diyarbakir prison was specially used to torture Kurds for example? Freedom of speech is eye opening.. is it not?

But anyway..Any new updates about the letter you sent about proving EU was helping PKK terrorist camps in Europe and any new updates you said you would put up in your blog?